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Post by rravis1914 on Apr 22, 2019 19:17:45 GMT -5
From what I understand, Afrezza is approved at Kaiser. It would seem logical, since they don't see reps, that a heavy blitz advertising campaign would be very effective in increasing awareness of this awesome product.
Could an ad just say "NO NEEDLES, NO HYPOS" without getting into all the legal mumbo-jumbo?
Serious T1's and T2's would immediately understand the point.
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Post by helmut8056 on Apr 22, 2019 20:08:50 GMT -5
From what I understand, Afrezza is approved at Kaiser. It would seem logical, since they don't see reps, that a heavy blitz advertising campaign would be very effective in increasing awareness of this awesome product.
Could an ad just say "NO NEEDLES, NO HYPOS" without getting into all the legal mumbo-jumbo?
Serious T1's and T2's would immediately understand the point.
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Post by helmut8056 on Apr 22, 2019 20:12:13 GMT -5
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane - by those who could not hear the music. -- Friedick Neichie
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Post by cedafuntennis on Apr 22, 2019 21:03:53 GMT -5
From what I understand, Afrezza is approved at Kaiser. It would seem logical, since they don't see reps, that a heavy blitz advertising campaign would be very effective in increasing awareness of this awesome product.
Could an ad just say "NO NEEDLES, NO HYPOS" without getting into all the legal mumbo-jumbo?
Serious T1's and T2's would immediately understand the point. I don't think it can say o Hypos but instead, how about if the put a picture of a hypopotamus with a red X over it?
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Post by johny on Apr 22, 2019 21:36:43 GMT -5
From what I understand, Afrezza is approved at Kaiser. It would seem logical, since they don't see reps, that a heavy blitz advertising campaign would be very effective in increasing awareness of this awesome product.
Could an ad just say "NO NEEDLES, NO HYPOS" without getting into all the legal mumbo-jumbo?
Serious T1's and T2's would immediately understand the point. Rravis, Your saying, you want KP to help push Afrezza. Right now, KP is doing a trial with Afrezza. They want to see how Afrezza will save them money, if it can. Mike preached the wonders of Afrezza. Now its time for Afrezza to step up to the plate and show KP what its capable of. They would push Afrezza if they knew it was more beneficial, they don't know that yet though.
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Post by buyitonsale on Apr 22, 2019 21:46:13 GMT -5
What Afrezza trial is KP currently involved in ?
I see, trial is a figure of speech...
PK, PD profile must mean nothing to them, and so, they signed some temporary trial contract with Mannkind from the goodness of their heart 😎
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Post by johny on Apr 22, 2019 22:01:13 GMT -5
What Afrezza trial is KP currently involved in ? I see, trial is a figure of speech... PK, PD profile must mean nothing to them, and so, they signed some temporary trial contract with Mannkind from the goodness of their heart 😎 "Thank you for sharing...Yes we have met with Kaiser and glad to see the tone change. I think once they see what this can do it will be widely adopted, but it takes time for all this come together. Copied my team so they can see this from a third party." Apparently the PKPD at face value doesn't mean much to a lot of people. Do you not see where this company is at the moment...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 23:55:10 GMT -5
Relax guys...MNKD has partnered with WMM and will collaborate to get the right advertising/message out to the public.
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Post by nylefty on Apr 23, 2019 0:06:56 GMT -5
Relax guys...MNKD has partnered with WMM and will collaborate to get the right advertising/message out to the public. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia WMM may refer to: Well-Manicured Man, a character in The X-Files Wide Mouth Mason, a Canadian blues-rock band Windows Movie Maker, a video editing software package, and file format extension Wi-Fi Multimedia or Wireless Multimedia Extensions (WME), a QoS implementation Women Make Movies, an organization for women film-makers World Magnetic Model, a digital model of the Earth's geomagnetic field World Marathon Majors, championship style marathon competition
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Post by akemp3000 on Apr 23, 2019 2:19:31 GMT -5
Was wondering also. Thanks nylefty for clearing it up
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Post by buyitonsale on Apr 23, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5
The point is, Kaiser is serious about outcomes, that’s where the real savings are. Afrezza works better at controlling BG than anything else and has no side effects. Bingo.
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Post by ktim on Apr 23, 2019 10:53:36 GMT -5
The point is, Kaiser is serious about outcomes, that’s where the real savings are. Afrezza works better at controlling BG than anything else and has no side effects. Bingo. Kaiser are leaders in some areas and laggards in others. In endo they definitely lag. They do at least pay lip service to evidence based medicin, but they are also very cost driven and no companies look at costs over very long time scales. Many believe that Kaiser is non profit, but the medical provider part of their business is for profit.
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Post by traderdennis on Apr 23, 2019 16:02:17 GMT -5
The point is, Kaiser is serious about outcomes, that’s where the real savings are. Afrezza works better at controlling BG than anything else and has no side effects. Bingo. Kaiser are leaders in some areas and laggards in others. In endo they definitely lag. They do at least pay lip service to evidence based medicin, but they are also very cost driven and no companies look at costs over very long time scales. Many believe that Kaiser is non profit, but the medical provider part of their business is for profit. KP also practices to the middle of the pack not to the highest possible standard and having parents in their diabetes system they are happy with 7 a1c and handing statins our like candy.
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Post by johny on Apr 23, 2019 19:19:09 GMT -5
The point is, Kaiser is serious about outcomes, that’s where the real savings are. Afrezza works better at controlling BG than anything else and has no side effects. Bingo. Kaiser are leaders in some areas and laggards in others. In endo they definitely lag. They do at least pay lip service to evidence based medicin, but they are also very cost driven and no companies look at costs over very long time scales. Many believe that Kaiser is non profit, but the medical provider part of their business is for profit. Interesting, "no companies look at costs over very long time scales." I'm not sure what you meant by that statement. Maybe that "very" is irrelevant. If your losing money after 5 years, you can extrapolate the data and conclude your going to be losing money after 8 years. Is that why you said "very", because there's no need to go back that far when you can conclude the same result with just a couple years? KP is very cost driven, and they do look back to recent years to figure out better outcomes for both their business model, and patient outcomes. Here's a study below, that took years of information. They concluded that this new process (HEART) would work better and by implementing it, they would avoid unnecessary hospitalizations (cost savings) without increasing patients risk of heart damage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ February 27, 2019Emergency physicians at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in Southern California reduced hospital admissions and cardiac stress testing by using new criteria to assess the level of risk patients with chest pain have for subsequent cardiac events. The study examined outcomes in 3 periods: May 2015 to May 2016 before HEART was established May 6, 2016 to June 3, 2016, during the transition to HEART June 2016 to June 2017 after HEART was implemented “By assessing patients who come into the emergency department using HEART— a measure of history, electrocardiogram (ECG), age, risk factors and troponin, a blood test that measures heart injury — we were able to avoid unnecessary hospitalizations and cardiac testing for many patients without increasing their risk of heart damage,” said Adam L. Sharp, MD, MSc, an emergency physician at the Kaiser Permanente Los Angeles Medical Center and a researcher with the Kaiser Permanente’s Department of Research & Evaluation in Southern California. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "They do at least pay lip service to evidence based medicine" Sounds like you've had a bad experience with Kaiser Permanente. “pay lip service” is to consent in one's words while dissenting in one's heart. I know were talking about KP as a whole, because every doctors different. Do you have an example of how KP as a whole, is paying lip service? (While KP supports an A1C of 7% (which is still within diabetic range) it is also embraced by the American Diabetes Association, which suggests an A1C of 7% for all nonpregnant adult diabetics.) The quicker patients get prescribed Afrezza (within Kaiser Permanente), and the quicker they realize how to use it, the quicker Afrezza be a standard of care (within Kaiser Permanente.) I didn't mean to analyze everything you wrote/said, but that's what I tend to do when I'm listening/reading. You wrote some good ideas one of my recent posts and I just thought I'd try and hear you out. It's been a long day. I'm exhausted. I'd understand if you feel the same way. I guess I'm saying, say what you wish, its alright with me.
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 23, 2019 19:27:54 GMT -5
The point is, Kaiser is serious about outcomes, that’s where the real savings are. Afrezza works better at controlling BG than anything else and has no side effects. Bingo. No side effects? That's not what the label says, and the label is how they will prescribe it.
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