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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:07:49 GMT -5
In an interview he gave before he passed away, Al Mann clearly stated that the artificial pancreas would never gain acceptance by the masses because of its expense. Even insulin pumps account for a relatively small percentage of the T1 market and virtually none of the T2 market. So (in my opinion) this whole debate is a tempest in a teapot and I see no threat to the future of Afrezza by Medtronic or any other pump maker. When Duane DeSisto was running Insulet, he was pretty skeptical of the AP as well. The technology has vastly improved, even in the last few years but if you think about the level of complexity and sophistication, and then consider the relatively small size of the insulin pump market (ie people that have the ability to interact effectively with their pump) its going to be a small subset of the population that is ripe for the AP and I have to believe there will need to be a pretty large customer service spend and having experts with that level of knowledge available 24/7 isn't an inexpensive proposition and the cost to be spread over a relatively small base of users.
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 29, 2019 11:08:46 GMT -5
I don't use a pump either. Like the person in that article I find I can do ok without one and the marginal improvement I might get is not worth it. In fairness that does make me the odd one out amongst the group of Type 1s I hang out with.
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 29, 2019 12:47:26 GMT -5
When Duane DeSisto was running Insulet, he was pretty skeptical of the AP as well. The technology has vastly improved, even in the last few years but if you think about the level of complexity and sophistication, and then consider the relatively small size of the insulin pump market (ie people that have the ability to interact effectively with their pump) its going to be a small subset of the population that is ripe for the AP and I have to believe there will need to be a pretty large customer service spend and having experts with that level of knowledge available 24/7 isn't an inexpensive proposition and the cost to be spread over a relatively small base of users. 60% of Type 1 diabetics use an insulin pump, and of those 32% use a pump and sensor. It would be reasonable to expect that group to move to an AP since they are already on a pump, the pump and sensor group would be a near certainty since they are already using most of the technology. Moving to an AP would simplify their lives as they would no longer need to manage the settings, set a temporary basal for events, or watch for lows or highs - it would all be automated. These days if you have the insurance cover they pretty much put you on a pump at diagnosis after the honeymoon period.
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Post by sweedee79 on Apr 29, 2019 17:51:44 GMT -5
I don't use a pump either. Like the person in that article I find I can do ok without one and the marginal improvement I might get is not worth it. In fairness that does make me the odd one out amongst the group of Type 1s I hang out with. I still want to know why you spend time here.. are you an investor? Why such an interest in Afrezza when you obviously don't support it?
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Post by sweedee79 on Apr 29, 2019 18:51:18 GMT -5
I don't use a pump either. Like the person in that article I find I can do ok without one and the marginal improvement I might get is not worth it. In fairness that does make me the odd one out amongst the group of Type 1s I hang out with. I still want to know why you spend time here.. are you an investor? Why such an interest in Afrezza when you obviously don't support it? He won't answer... I've asked him this many times...
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 29, 2019 18:52:14 GMT -5
I don't use a pump either. Like the person in that article I find I can do ok without one and the marginal improvement I might get is not worth it. In fairness that does make me the odd one out amongst the group of Type 1s I hang out with. I still want to know why you spend time here.. are you an investor? Why such an interest in Afrezza when you obviously don't support it? An investor in the past, although not since that $6 spike. As a Type 1 I support the availability of Afrezza and peoples' access to it. From an investment standpoint I think that unless management invest in a STAT-2 trial this is going to continue to be a long slow slog. My comment above was about pumps, not Afrezza.
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 29, 2019 18:54:03 GMT -5
I still want to know why you spend time here.. are you an investor? Why such an interest in Afrezza when you obviously don't support it? He won't answer... I've asked him this many times... Well I have now ( ), and I thought I had in the past.
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Post by sweedee79 on Apr 29, 2019 18:57:03 GMT -5
I still want to know why you spend time here.. are you an investor? Why such an interest in Afrezza when you obviously don't support it? An investor in the past, although not since that $6 spike. As a Type 1 I support the availability of Afrezza and peoples' access to it. From an investment standpoint I think that unless management invest in a STAT-2 trial this is going to continue to be a long slow slog. My comment above was about pumps, not Afrezza. So you are not a supporter of Afrezza.. just trading . Right? You know full well that what you say is not in support of Afrezza, whether that be your talk of pumps or your support of RAA.. We get it.. so what's the point anymore? Don't skirt around the issue... Answer the question honestly.
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Post by uvula on Apr 29, 2019 19:19:39 GMT -5
I think the discussions here are better when not everyone in them is an afrezza cheerleader.
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Post by mnholdem on Apr 29, 2019 20:16:09 GMT -5
That sounds like you suggesting that any and all MNKD investors who make positive statements about Afrezza are cheerleaders? Even if one doesn't think much of the execution of MannKind's management team, the science behind Afrezza has many positives and this particular thread is about the scientific data. Does this statement make me a "cheerleader"? i get your point: your prefer some contrarian opinions to be heard but, like sweedee79 , I often wonder why a handful of our members continually endorse other products on this ProBoard-MannKind forum, rather than to debate the pros and cons of MannKind's products themselves.
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Post by longliner on Apr 29, 2019 20:25:08 GMT -5
That sounds like you suggesting that any and all MNKD investors who make positive statements about Afrezza are cheerleaders? Even if one doesn't think much of the execution of MannKind's management team, the science behind Afrezza has many positives and this particular thread is about the scientific data. Does this statement make me a "cheerleader"? i get your point: your prefer some contrarian opinions to be heard but, like sweedee79 , I often wonder why a handful of our members continually endorse other products on this ProBoard-MannKind forum, rather than to debate the pros and cons of MannKind's products themselves. Why do you have to be such a cheerleader anyway?😎
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Post by nylefty on Apr 29, 2019 22:18:13 GMT -5
I think the discussions here are better when not everyone in them is an afrezza cheerleader. They'd be better if everyone involved was a MannKind shareholder. Too bad there's not such a board.
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Post by ktim on Apr 30, 2019 0:31:43 GMT -5
I think the discussions here are better when not everyone in them is an afrezza cheerleader. They'd be better if everyone involved was a MannKind shareholder. Too bad there's not such a board. So you don't think an investor that is sitting on the sidelines, following MNKD and waiting for an ideal time to jump in would have anything to contribute that you'd be interested in? Note: I'm not that. I was in long ago and have lost a lot.
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Post by johny on Apr 30, 2019 2:00:12 GMT -5
I still want to know why you spend time here.. are you an investor? Why such an interest in Afrezza when you obviously don't support it? He won't answer... I've asked him this many times... He just answered you. "So you are not a supporter of Afrezza.. just trading . Right? You know full well that what you say is not in support of Afrezza, whether that be your talk of pumps or your support of RAA.. We get it.. so what's the point anymore? Don't skirt around the issue... Answer the question honestly." His answer wasn't good enough? now he has to support Afrezza? For arguments sake, I don't support Afrezza, what are you going to do about it? Nothing. Next topic. Quit badgering.
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Post by sweedee79 on Apr 30, 2019 2:06:14 GMT -5
They'd be better if everyone involved was a MannKind shareholder. Too bad there's not such a board. So you don't think an investor that is sitting on the sidelines, following MNKD and waiting for an ideal time to jump in would have anything to contribute that you'd be interested in? Note: I'm not that. I was in long ago and have lost a lot. Aged Hippie has no interest in investing in MNKD.... He supports RAA .. pumps etc . He doesn't support the science behind Afrezza either... Many of his facts are skewed even when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.. I just question why he is here.. that is all. As for contrary views.. I have no problem with that as long as it is based in fact. As an investor, you want to see all sides.. Just seems to me he could be more honest as to why he feels the need to beat a dead horse with skewed facts.. we've all heard it over and over again. Seems odd, especially when he has no interest in MNKD as an investment. There are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of people like this. A poster on ST was just found out to be a Sanofi employee trying to discredit Afrezza. There are obviously people who don't want Afrezza to succeed. As for being a "cheerleader", Afrezza is that good or I wouldn't say it is. I'm not a cheerleader just an honest person defending something that I know is the best thing that has happened for PWD since the invention of insulin and for some reason has been shut out. The reasons are clear... It is a threat. Aged Hippie is a smart guy.. he knows what Afrezza is.. he just won't acknowledge it. Why? He has been doing this same thing for years. I doubt he was ever an investor. So why is he here?
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