Goldman Sachs initiation

[mannmade]

Baba as usual I must agree with you... However, I also think there are two very big on-going issues that are effecting current share price as follows:

1.) For whatever reason, whether it is on purpose (as in purposefully ignorant) or (giving the ignorant the benefit of the doubt) it is because most analysts follow too many stocks (whereas I am currently only following about a half dozen) so they have not taken the time to fully understand what A is all about... The result seems to be a very big and consistent lack of understanding about what Afrezza really is all about... and that is it's potential upside, (as I have stated in the past, A has the ability potentially to stop the progression of Diabetes, if as Al, me and we or many on this board think... Let's take time to remember that A's PK profile will possibly allow for higher dosing of Basal which very possibly could result in a consistently lower FG level, and this as we know is the Holy Grail, short of an outright cure). And even if it is not the Holy Grail, and it is only half of that, it will be a huge step forward in the treatment and control of diabetes...

Yes no needles is a good thing but with regard to the potential upside as mentioned above, no needles to me is purely a "Cosmetic or Collateral Benefit" and the real benefit, I am suggesting imho, is being ignored and therefore the price is not reflecting true/real or even the speculative value as it would with any other similar stage Bio-tech with a First in Class, FDA approved drug that has a BP Global distribution partner. Heck, even if you had to take Afrezza with a needle it would be a huge advance...

2.) The share price is narrowly focused on just Afrezza for the moment and is not factoring in the value of the Technosphere platform which a consensus of reviewers suggest is where the real value in Mannkind may be. I simply do not understand this as the FDA approval of Afrezza also validated the efficacy and viability of Technosphere.

So there you have it... And frankly my thoughts on the above lead me to believe there is a strategy of sorts on Wall Street (just how well coordinated it is remains to be seen or likely not seen) to profit on both sides of this opportunity... Meaning the shorts will soon be longs...

GLTA!

[babaoriley]

"Meaning the shorts will soon be longs..." Yes, just like at the end of Trading Places!

But, unlike the Biblical phrase, in the stock market world, it's more like "and the first shall yet again be first."

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Oct 21, 2014 9:50:49 GMT -5 babaoriley said:

As I read this thread, I get the feeling the markets aren't totally on the up and up. Again, I'm getting a strong intuitive feeling of that, am I right (again)? LOL! We're rich(er) today!!

JPG, I submit that you are not as neutral and detached as you'd like to be re Goldman. I do believe that there are a lot of smart guys there, but I do believe the ethical standards are very low.

Hi Baba,

Where did I say they were not smart? If you think being smart in itself has social value or makes you a socially responsible person then there isn't much I can add to that I guess. 

To me being smart and having a socially destructive policy just makes you a smart bad person. I know a few who have and still do work there. Yes they are very smart and using their brain power for things that could have little social value. To me it is a waste of part of our elite. Maybe you buy into the 'doing gods work' line that the guy now running the GS syndicate used during the hight of the financial crisis? There is some abundant literature that shows the destructive power of financial repression as practiced by GS and others. It just happens that Goldman Sachs was and is better at it then almost everyone else. No I am not neutral and detached to some of the more destructive policies that GS and other masters of the universe are employing. The funny thing is that those that are outraged by their behaviour like me are often made to feel out of place or 'wrong' by the masses they are hurting so badly. I am solidly part of the 1% and consider myself on the winning side of this game but am still revolted by some of the stuff our masters of the universe do. As a guy who seems pretty 'aware' I would have thought you would have been in my camp on this?

JPG

[babaoriley]

Hey, jpg, I think that you are so against GS guys, it causes you to jump to conclusions when you can draw an inference that someone is defending them. I agree you could draw that inference from my response to you, but it's not accurate, and I'm sorry I misled you. I should have separated those two last sentences into two separate paragraphs, and perhaps you wouldn't have connected them the way you did. Essentially, we agree that GS has lots of smart guys, but have low ethical standards. If someone is going to have low ethical standards, it's better that they be stupid, they will end up hurting fewer people that way.

Now, other than you, I don't know anyone else that despises those Wall Streeters more than I do (although I'm sure there are a few!), and I have disliked them for years (way before 2008)! Ethics and morals are among the two or three most important thing in life, let alone business, and they checked their moral compass at the paymaster's office! The kind of bonuses and base pay they get, it's ridiculous, especially when it comes at times that they have been more greedy than normal, and the 2008 banking crisis is a fantastic example - the stuff that came out of that debacle, well, if that didn't make everyone despise the bankers, I don't know what would. In fact, at the time, I remember saying to people that bankers have done a heck of a job getting attention away from lawyers as the dregs of the earth!

They do work hard (now don't go telling me, "where did I say they didn't work hard"), but they are obsessed with the money and power and sex and lifestyle, and most are driven to have each and everyone of those things in excess.

So, I'm very much in your camp. I was merely jabbing some fun at you after you pointed out the way to go about things was neutral and detached, and juxtaposed (temporally and/or spatially, I can't remember which) to that was your discussion re GS whcih seemed anything but neutral and detached. I understand that there's not a direct connection between the kind of things you'd like to stay neutral and detached on and disliking those morally bereft Wall Street folk, but you need to consider the source of comments. I never go after anyone unless I think they are being disingenuous, like poor little cocokitty, who got the rudest welcome of just about anyone ever on this board. She was resourceful, though, shortened her handle to "coco" and fooled me for months! LOL!

You happen to be one of the people I agree with most, and it's always good to read your posts, as they are well-reasoned and written. So, bottom line, consider yourself lucky - you can't even imagine what I think of some other posters!! LOL!