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Post by mannmade on Jul 28, 2015 18:00:09 GMT -5
Suckers who loaned out their shares at 20% per year (0.05% per day) saw the shares decline by more than 10 times that amount. Shorts don't pay those big fees for nothing. I will stay out of MNKD as long as this share loaning to manipulative shorts stops. What about a long that recently freed up some investment capital and cleverly loans out his existing shares in order to help shorts manipulate the price down so that he can purchase more shares at artificially low price. I like this idea that little old me can be a crafty market manipulator. Wow, I feel powerful. dbc think that's what they call a Hedge Fund. If I were Black Rock I would do it all day long...
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Post by mssciguy on Jul 28, 2015 18:19:32 GMT -5
Hedge fund employees might also be known as past or present SEC employees current SEC employees either worked on the dark side, or will The revolving door is ridiculous but to be fair, Federal govt does not pay well
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Post by kc on Feb 17, 2016 22:11:15 GMT -5
Pressure is mounting. The rate for Shorts to Borrow shares went up again today. that is the 2nd time this week. 53.75%
February 16 the rate was 47.5%
February 12 it was raised to 42.75%
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Post by benyiju on Feb 18, 2016 1:54:28 GMT -5
I thought the shorts were supposed to be covering? Seriously, they smell blood in the water and won't start covering until we get down around two bits, maybe 50 cents if the Company surprises and shows any sign of life. Until then, fasten your seatbelts and hold on to your hope...
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Post by saxcmann on Feb 18, 2016 9:13:24 GMT -5
I thought the shorts were supposed to be covering? Seriously, they smell blood in the water and won't start covering until we get down around two bits, maybe 50 cents if the Company surprises and shows any sign of life. Until then, fasten your seatbelts and hold on to your hope... Shorts won't cover unless forced. At this point anything short of a afrezza buyout or complete buyout I think they won't cover. BP behind hedge play to force bankruptcy. Seatbelt is fastened...
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Post by kc on Feb 18, 2016 12:20:59 GMT -5
I know that we keep hearing that BP is behind the Hedge play. But we really have no proof of that. How would one prove that out? I don't think they could. Do we really think that another BP said to a hedge or somebody else. Here is 50,000,000 go and short or play with MannKind's stock and share price. I have never bought that theory.
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Post by esstan2001 on Feb 18, 2016 12:54:33 GMT -5
I know that we keep hearing that BP is behind the Hedge play. But we really have no proof of that. How would one prove that out? I don't think they could. Do we really think that another BP said to a hedge or somebody else. Here is 50,000,000 go and short or play with MannKind's stock and share price. I have never bought that theory. IF there is such an effort, you can bet there will be no direct quid pro quo as you describe. It will take on a more subtle, un-provable aire, like a promised favor such as opening a market or influencing a regulatory agency outcome. No one engaging in things that big would be so naive as to leave a direct trail or even something that could be implied, well maybe except for some Presidential candidate...
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Feb 18, 2016 13:46:19 GMT -5
IF there is such an effort, you can bet there will be no direct quid pro quo as you describe. It will take on a more subtle, un-provable aire, like a promised favor such as opening a market or influencing a regulatory agency outcome. No one engaging in things that big would be so naive as to leave a direct trail or even something that could be implied, well maybe except for some Presidential candidate... Candidate SSurely you aren't implying there is only one.
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Post by benyiju on Feb 18, 2016 16:17:44 GMT -5
I know that we keep hearing that BP is behind the Hedge play. But we really have no proof of that. How would one prove that out? I don't think they could. Do we really think that another BP said to a hedge or somebody else. Here is 50,000,000 go and short or play with MannKind's stock and share price. I have never bought that theory. The BP conspiracy theory is just another way of passing the buck for loser investors. I'm sure BP are happy to see any potential challenge from Afrezza melt away, and they may be actively working against it in their marketing, but it's rank nonsense to suggest they are orchestrating dark stock market machinations. This is just one more way loser investors console themselves when they've made bad decisions, which of course gives them an excuse to do it again. There must be a book that lists these sorts of psychological errors in investing, if not someone should write it.
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Post by BlueCat on Feb 18, 2016 18:59:57 GMT -5
I know that we keep hearing that BP is behind the Hedge play. But we really have no proof of that. How would one prove that out? I don't think they could. Do we really think that another BP said to a hedge or somebody else. Here is 50,000,000 go and short or play with MannKind's stock and share price. I have never bought that theory. The BP conspiracy theory is just another way of passing the buck for loser investors. I'm sure BP are happy to see any potential challenge from Afrezza melt away, and they may be actively working against it in their marketing, but it's rank nonsense to suggest they are orchestrating dark stock market machinations. This is just one more way loser investors console themselves when they've made bad decisions, which of course gives them an excuse to do it again. There must be a book that lists these sorts of psychological errors in investing, if not someone should write it. Just because I'm paranoid and looking to blame doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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Post by benyiju on Feb 18, 2016 20:05:02 GMT -5
The BP conspiracy theory is just another way of passing the buck for loser investors. I'm sure BP are happy to see any potential challenge from Afrezza melt away, and they may be actively working against it in their marketing, but it's rank nonsense to suggest they are orchestrating dark stock market machinations. This is just one more way loser investors console themselves when they've made bad decisions, which of course gives them an excuse to do it again. There must be a book that lists these sorts of psychological errors in investing, if not someone should write it. Just because I'm paranoid and looking to blame doesn't mean I'm wrong. Ha ha. No, it doesn't, not definitively. It does, however, mean you should be suspicious of your suspicions!
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Post by nylefty on Feb 18, 2016 21:19:48 GMT -5
I know that we keep hearing that BP is behind the Hedge play. But we really have no proof of that. How would one prove that out? I don't think they could. Do we really think that another BP said to a hedge or somebody else. Here is 50,000,000 go and short or play with MannKind's stock and share price. I have never bought that theory. The BP conspiracy theory is just another way of passing the buck for loser investors. I'm sure BP are happy to see any potential challenge from Afrezza melt away, and they may be actively working against it in their marketing, but it's rank nonsense to suggest they are orchestrating dark stock market machinations. This is just one more way loser investors console themselves when they've made bad decisions, which of course gives them an excuse to do it again. There must be a book that lists these sorts of psychological errors in investing, if not someone should write it. I'm so glad that we have someone who apparently has no shares in this company to inform those of us who are shareholders that we are "losers." Apparently, "winners" are those who spend a great deal of time on message boards devoted to "loser" stocks, telling "loser" investors that we've made a terrible choice.
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Post by sportsrancho on Feb 18, 2016 21:35:34 GMT -5
The BP conspiracy theory is just another way of passing the buck for loser investors. I'm sure BP are happy to see any potential challenge from Afrezza melt away, and they may be actively working against it in their marketing, but it's rank nonsense to suggest they are orchestrating dark stock market machinations. This is just one more way loser investors console themselves when they've made bad decisions, which of course gives them an excuse to do it again. There must be a book that lists these sorts of psychological errors in investing, if not someone should write it. I'm so glad that we have someone who apparently has no shares in this company to inform those of us who are shareholders that we are "losers." Apparently, "winners" are those who spend a great deal of time on message boards devoted to "loser" stocks, telling "loser" investors that we've made a terrible choice. Sounds like they are short, but I don't think so. At least not all of them. I think they are mad. And in pain and taking it out on us. Bashing anything positive. They might be hanging around thinking they can jump back in at some point? Other wise what would be the point? Will they be able too? Maybe, maybe not.
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Post by anderson on Feb 20, 2016 4:31:25 GMT -5
Just checked Fidelity. The rate they are paying longs to borrow shares is 35%.
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Post by alethea on Mar 3, 2016 11:43:14 GMT -5
Just checked Fidelity. The rate they are paying longs to borrow shares is 35%. Does anyone know what the current rates are from Fidelity and/or Schwab for borrowing and lending shares to short?
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