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Post by centralcoastinvestor on Aug 17, 2017 14:24:52 GMT -5
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Post by peppy on Aug 17, 2017 14:27:27 GMT -5
hmmmm, diabetes a disability and blood sugar variation may lead to Alzheimer's. A letter for insurance coverage to an insurer becoming more interesting.
(Mango, where is your unbelievable Alzheimer's work?)
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Post by sportsrancho on Aug 17, 2017 14:36:42 GMT -5
hmmmm, diabetes a disability and blood sugar variation may lead to Alzheimer's. A letter for insurance coverage to an insurer becoming more interesting.
(Mango, where is your unbelievable Alzheimer's work?)
Mango is in heaven right now. He just now saw the Vdex video on Metformin. (That I looked through 30 posts to find for him:-)
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Aug 17, 2017 16:33:09 GMT -5
This study wasn't directly looking at time in range, but I'd think it would be logical conclusion that there would be a direct link between having variable FPG and having more volatile swings in BG including out of range excursions. Hopefully a study like this will be done using CGM to establish the direct link between time out of range and dementia now that CGMs are readily available.
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Post by thall on Aug 17, 2017 16:34:51 GMT -5
I stopped reading at "China Medical University."
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Post by falconquest on Aug 17, 2017 17:15:05 GMT -5
I stopped reading at "China Medical University." Actually, I own shares in another company that while working on Alzheimer's treatment has discovered this link. It should not be ignored.
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Post by falconquest on Aug 17, 2017 17:29:37 GMT -5
Ok, they actually obtained the rights to the compound. Note the source. Here's the detail......
Anavex Awarded New U.S. Patent
New York — June 4, 2014 — Anavex Life Sciences Corp. (“Anavex” or the “Company”) (OTCQB: AVXL), a clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company developing novel drug candidates to treat Alzheimer’s disease, other diseases of the central nervous system (CNS) and various types of cancer, is pleased to announce that it has been issued U.S. Patent No. 8,673,931 (the “Patent”). The composition and method Patent covers ANAVEX 3-71 (formerly AF710B) for treating Alzheimer’s disease (AD), type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance. ANAVEX obtained exclusive rights to worldwide patents and patent applications for ANAVEX 3-71 and related compounds in March 2014 from Life Science Research Israel, a subsidiary of the Israel Institute for Biological Research. The Patent has a term that expires no earlier than April 29, 2030.
“We are delighted to strengthen our intellectual property position with the issuance of this U.S. patent,” said Christopher U. Missling, PhD, President and Chief Executive Officer of Anavex. “We believe the issuance of this patent validates the novelty of our platform. Additionally, we consider it to be an important step in our strategy to build and protect strong and highly differentiated small molecule therapeutics for Alzheimer’s and other neurodegenerative diseases. We believe these indications are an area of significant opportunity in drug development and we look forward to leveraging our unique technology to address such therapeutic needs.”
About U.S. Patent No. 8,673,931
The invention in this Patent covers certain bicyclic heterocyclic spiro compounds, which are thought to be ligands for G-protein coupled receptors. The active compounds function as muscarinic receptor agonists and are candidates for pharmaceutical use. There is particular emphasis on a method for the treatment of Alzheimer’s disease as well as treating type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance syndrome.
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Post by sayhey24 on Aug 17, 2017 18:22:07 GMT -5
Years ago Itell was following what was being called Type 3 diabetes very closely. Hopefully he still has all his research. Mango has also done some research in this area.
The one question I always had was what would be the absorption rate of afrezza if snorted. I am not sure if anyone knows. I am assuming MNKD did some analysis which should be available.
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Post by mango on Aug 17, 2017 19:10:55 GMT -5
peppy I sent some stuff in PM. Metformin induces a range of effects that can facilitate and even induce neurodegeneration. One in particular is, Metformin induces mitochondrial dysfunction. Mitochondria contain DNA. Mitochondria produce ATP via the Krebs cycle > intracellular energy transfer. This drug, Metformin, harms mitochondria, rendering it dysfunctional. This could be looked at as disrupting energy flow (homeostasis), which effects overall homeostasis and becomes imbalanced. Screw up homeostasis > you will have health consequences. There's a lot, but to just name a few things mitochondria regulate (via the endocannabinoid system within a mitochondrion) is: cell metabolism, programmed cell death, and calcium signaling (in the brain, CB1 receptor regulates GABA by inhibiting calcium from entering into the presynaptic axon terminals. So, you are talking about a very sophisticated homeostatic regulatory system becoming dysfunctional via Metformin). There is a gut-pancreas axis and there is a gut-brain axis. I think it's all just one axis. Mitochondria in the brain regulate systemic glucose. The liver has an ECS too, everything does, and all talking to one another to regulate homeostasis. So go figure. Metformin directly alters gut microbiota — Bingo. Metformin upregulates BACE1 and APP > induces beta amyloid aggregates — Bingo. Metformin induces mitochondrial dysfunction and neuronal cell death (TOM40, VDAC1, and HKI) — Bingo. Did I mention mitochondria (via the ECS) in the brain regulates systemic glucose (via ECS)? Bingo. Left our vitamin b12 deficeincy (essential for RBC production and DNA synthesis) — Bingo.
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Post by peppy on Aug 17, 2017 19:16:10 GMT -5
Years ago Itell was following what was being called Type 3 diabetes very closely. Hopefully he still has all his research. Mango has also done some research in this area. The one question I always had was what would be the absorption rate of afrezza if snorted. I am not sure if anyone knows. I am assuming MNKD did some analysis which should be available. sports posted a tweet weeks back; An afrezza forgot her dreamboat, and used a straw. (Up your nose with a rubber hose.)
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Aug 17, 2017 19:22:33 GMT -5
peppy I sent some stuff in PM. Metformin induces a range of effects that can facilitate and even induce neurodegeneration. One in particular is, Metformin induces mitochondrial dysfunction. Mitochondria contain DNA. Mitochondria produce ATP via the Krebs cycle > intracellular energy transfer. This drug, Metformin, harms mitochondria, rendering it dysfunctional. This could be looked at as disrupting energy flow (homeostasis), which effects overall homeostasis and becomes imbalanced. Screw up homeostasis > you will have health consequences. There's a lot, but to just name a few things mitochondria regulate (via the endocannabinoid system within a mitochondrion) is: cell metabolism, programmed cell death, and calcium signaling (in the brain, CB1 receptor regulates GABA by inhibiting calcium from entering into the presynaptic axon terminals. So, you are talking about a very sophisticated homeostatic regulatory system becoming dysfunctional via Metformin). There is a gut-pancreas axis and there is a gut-brain axis. I think it's all just one axis. Mitochondria in the brain regulate systemic glucose. So go figure. Metformin directly the alters gut microbiota — Bingo. Metformin upregulates BACE1 and APP > induces beta amyloid aggregates — Bingo. Metformin induces mitochondrial dysfunction and neuronal cell death (TOM40, VDAC1, and HKI) — Bingo. Did I mention mitochondria (via the ECS) in the brain regulates systemic glucose (via ECS)? Bingo. Left our vitamin b12 deficeincy (essential for RBC production and DNA synthesis) — Bingo. Though, millions upon millions of people have used it for long periods of time without safety concerns. The evidence is growing, the topic of this thread, that poor blood sugar control definitely has consequences. I'm not arguing against Afrezza as a better, though significantly more expensive treatment vs Metformin, but all of these theoretical speculations about Metformin don't outweigh that it is widely used, does have meaningful results in controlling BG and has proven itself safe. Speaking of speculative research there is some that suggests Metformin may be useful in preventing dementia for non diabetic individuals, though I wonder whether that is simply linked to its BG lowering given that many people not diagnosed as diabetic probably have poor BG control none the less.
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Post by mango on Aug 17, 2017 19:53:43 GMT -5
peppy I sent some stuff in PM. Metformin induces a range of effects that can facilitate and even induce neurodegeneration. One in particular is, Metformin induces mitochondrial dysfunction. Mitochondria contain DNA. Mitochondria produce ATP via the Krebs cycle > intracellular energy transfer. This drug, Metformin, harms mitochondria, rendering it dysfunctional. This could be looked at as disrupting energy flow (homeostasis), which effects overall homeostasis and becomes imbalanced. Screw up homeostasis > you will have health consequences. There's a lot, but to just name a few things mitochondria regulate (via the endocannabinoid system within a mitochondrion) is: cell metabolism, programmed cell death, and calcium signaling (in the brain, CB1 receptor regulates GABA by inhibiting calcium from entering into the presynaptic axon terminals. So, you are talking about a very sophisticated homeostatic regulatory system becoming dysfunctional via Metformin). There is a gut-pancreas axis and there is a gut-brain axis. I think it's all just one axis. Mitochondria in the brain regulate systemic glucose. So go figure. Metformin directly the alters gut microbiota — Bingo. Metformin upregulates BACE1 and APP > induces beta amyloid aggregates — Bingo. Metformin induces mitochondrial dysfunction and neuronal cell death (TOM40, VDAC1, and HKI) — Bingo. Did I mention mitochondria (via the ECS) in the brain regulates systemic glucose (via ECS)? Bingo. Left our vitamin b12 deficeincy (essential for RBC production and DNA synthesis) — Bingo. Though, millions upon millions of people have used it for long periods of time without safety concerns. The evidence is growing, the topic of this thread, that poor blood sugar control definitely has consequences. I'm not arguing against Afrezza as a better, though significantly more expensive treatment vs Metformin, but all of these theoretical speculations about Metformin don't outweigh that it is widely used, does have meaningful results in controlling BG and has proven itself safe. Speaking of speculative research there is some that suggests Metformin may be useful in preventing dementia for non diabetic individuals, though I wonder whether that is simply linked to its BG lowering given that many people not diagnosed as diabetic probably have poor BG control none the less. What I said is not speculation.
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Post by agedhippie on Aug 17, 2017 20:28:59 GMT -5
Though, millions upon millions of people have used it for long periods of time without safety concerns. The evidence is growing, the topic of this thread, that poor blood sugar control definitely has consequences. I'm not arguing against Afrezza as a better, though significantly more expensive treatment vs Metformin, but all of these theoretical speculations about Metformin don't outweigh that it is widely used, does have meaningful results in controlling BG and has proven itself safe. Speaking of speculative research there is some that suggests Metformin may be useful in preventing dementia for non diabetic individuals, though I wonder whether that is simply linked to its BG lowering given that many people not diagnosed as diabetic probably have poor BG control none the less. What I said is not speculation. And yet there is no evidence in the field... If metformin was this dangerous, and given that huge quantities consumed, there should be far higher rates than are seen. There is evidence that metformin improves brain function in Alzheimer's patients although there have only been small trials to date - it's difficult to get funding for drugs that are free to a first approximation since there are no big profits.
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Post by peppy on Aug 17, 2017 22:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by mango on Aug 17, 2017 23:55:49 GMT -5
What I said is not speculation. And yet there is no evidence in the field... If metformin was this dangerous, and given that huge quantities consumed, there should be far higher rates than are seen. There is evidence that metformin improves brain function in Alzheimer's patients although there have only been small trials to date - it's difficult to get funding for drugs that are free to a first approximation since there are no big profits. That's a fine statement of opinions. Metformin causes mitochondrial dysfunction. If you want to argue this fact, then perhaps you have already take too much Metformin. Endocrinology & Metabolism International JournalDiabetes, Neurodegenerative Diseases, GLP-1 & Surgery: Evidence Calls for Exploration medcraveonline.com/EMIJ/EMIJ-04-00091.pdfIncreased Risk of Cognitive Impairment in Patients With Diabetes Is Associated With Metforminwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3781568/pdf/2981.pdfMetformin, other antidiabetic drugs, and risk of Alzheimer's disease: a population-based case-control studywww.medscape.com/viewarticle/764413Metformin in Amnestic Mild Cognitive Impairment: results of a pilot randomized placebo controlled clinical trialwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5079271• Editorial Related to that Study Type 2 diabetes and dementia: is there a substantial link?www.openaccessjournals.com/articles/type-2-diabetes-and-dementia-is-there-a-substantial-link.pdf• Metformin up-regulates BACE1 transcription via AMP-Kinase depended pathway. Metfomin does much of its work through AMPK. • Up-regulation of BACE1 transcription = faciliting amyloid precursor protein processing. Amyloid plaques are largely made up of amyloid beta peptides, which are DERIVED from amyloid precursor proteins, which are PROCESSED by BACE1. • Amgen's patent on BACE inhibitors gives DIRECT EVIDENCE that Metformin induces aggregation of beta amyloid. • Amgen Patent Perfluorinated cyclopropyl fused 1,3-oxazin-2-amine compounds as beta-secretase inhibitors and methods of usepatents.justia.com/patent/9611261Antidiabetic drug metformin (GlucophageR) increases biogenesis of Alzheimer's amyloid peptides via up-regulating BACE1 transcriptionwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2656178Metformin Facilitates Amyloid-β Generation by β- and γ-Secretases via Autophagy Activationcontent.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-disease/jad151200Biological and biophysics aspects of metformin-induced effects: cortex mitochondrial dysfunction and promotion of toxic amyloid pre-fibrillar aggregateswww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5032692/Metformin increases APP expression and processing via oxidative stress, mitochondrial dysfunction and NF-κB activation: Use of insulin to attenuate metformin's effectac.els-cdn.com/S0167488915000324/1-s2.0-S0167488915000324-main.pdf?_tid=e6fc40ce-29d7-11e7-9e89-00000aab0f6b&acdnat=1493139472_2e9f328d1f039184db772c4cd00a4fa5To finish, I present a True Diabadass—Mr. McCullough of VDEX "Damn near irresponsible to prescribe it"
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