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Post by dreamboatcruise on Sept 19, 2017 21:05:08 GMT -5
For discussion sake : Insurance can probably cover everything in earth if they are like federal reserve. Keep printing $$ or like Government- keep selling debt. I know we are taking about people and life here and it's sensitive and the insurance companies and PBM make a lot of profit. In other case, if they were only allowed operate at zero profit would they still be able to cover every thing for every one? Do the people in Canada and other countries where health care is public, Do the patients get top of the line care just like US? Where you can just walk into a emergency? Some one has to pay for this ? Who is that going be ? Do their health care providers carry enormous mal practice insurance to deal with litigation people? As a tourist in UK years ago I ended up in emergency room. Anecdotal, but it was faster than I've ever had service in US emergency room... and they didn't charge me anything. Here in the US you can walk into an emergency even without good insurance and they'll treat you... but they also will often come after you and bankrupt you if you have anything to come after. Yes, the cost of those that can't pay do get transferred, but that system is not at all a rational way of helping those in need of financial assistance for health care. Case in point diabetes... you need to treat that ahead of time and on a regular basis, not waiting until someone ends up bad enough off to get seen in ER. |
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Post by nylefty on Sept 19, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
For discussion sake : Insurance can probably cover everything in earth if they are like federal reserve. Keep printing $$ or like Government- keep selling debt. For instance, who knew hip replacements only last 10 years? hmmmm Yikes. Mine is 9 1/2....you mean it's only got six months to live? |
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Post by peppy on Sept 19, 2017 21:33:11 GMT -5
For instance, who knew hip replacements only last 10 years? hmmmm Yikes. Mine is 9 1/2....you mean it's only got six months to live? 1. My neighbor was getting out of the shower, she fell to the floor. Her titanium hip had come out of it's socket. She crawled to a phone and called a neighbor. in the emergency room the physician used his biceps and hands to push the head of the femur into the socket.
2. Another neighbor said, the same thing happened to her husband.
A year and a half later the original neighbor, (1) her hip once again came out of the socket. She died in the hospital after a total replacement.
www.hipandknee.com/hip-surgery/life-with-an-artificial-hip/
The literature said 15 to 20 years.
for discussion sake
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Post by bill on Sept 19, 2017 21:34:12 GMT -5
And, what's truly ironic is that the insurance companies are reluctant to cover Afrezza, which supplies patients with real insulin versus all the analogs, that may not work as well and certainly come with more potential side effects. In a different world Afrezza wouldn't be compared to the rapid acting analogs at all since those can't be superior to real insulin. Instead, Afrezza would be the drug of choice:-).
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Post by babaoriley on Sept 19, 2017 22:01:25 GMT -5
To clarify: our insurance is not covering Afrezza at all. My rant is somewhat hypothetical in that I rail against the costliness that limits how much my son may depend upon Afrezza alone- WE have to ration it. But I am also aware that other users, lucky enough to be "covered" under their insurance, also face supply, cost and authorization limitations that amount to the kind of rationing interference I am describing. It is difficult to believe we ARE the greatest country on the planet. Okay, peppy, I give up! So in what country do you live? |
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Post by nylefty on Sept 19, 2017 22:04:21 GMT -5
Yikes. Mine is 9 1/2....you mean it's only got six months to live? 1. My neighbor was getting out of the shower, she fell to the floor. Her titanium hip had come out of it's socket. She crawled to a phone and called a neighbor. in the emergency room the physician used his biceps and hands to push the head of the femur into the socket.
2. Another neighbor said, the same thing happened to her husband.
A year and a half later the original neighbor, (1) her hip once again came out of the socket. She died in the hospital after a total replacement.
www.hipandknee.com/hip-surgery/life-with-an-artificial-hip/
The literature said 15 to 20 years.
for discussion sake
A lot depends on the skill of the surgeon and the implant he or she uses. I was warned away from one doc whose patients suffered a lot of hip replacement failures (he finally stopped doing them, although he continued to "practice" medicine). I traveled over 200 miles to have mine done by a doc with a great reputation. So far, so good. |
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Sept 19, 2017 22:13:46 GMT -5
And, what's truly ironic is that the insurance companies are reluctant to cover Afrezza, which supplies patients with real insulin versus all the analogs, that may not work as well and certainly come with more potential side effects. In a different world Afrezza wouldn't be compared to the rapid acting analogs at all since those can't be superior to real insulin. Instead, Afrezza would be the drug of choice:-). Certainly the long acting analogs are superior to Afrezza for the purpose they are intended to serve, so I guess I would disagree with that portion of your assertions. Afrezza has a very useful pk/pd profile, but it isn't as if this is a case of organic vs processed. The only truly "real" insulin is what is produced by your pancreas and even Afrezza isn't exactly the same as that. And of course Afrezza would be compared to RAAs since they are the ones mostly used as prandials these days. Years ago they would have compared Afrezza to subq RHI (which is what is in Afrezza), but that doesn't make sense now since the superior prandial nature of RAAs vs subq RHI means the latter is hardly used for that these days. |
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Post by ghochr on Sept 19, 2017 22:34:45 GMT -5
I guess the context of my post is misunderstood.
It's one thing that insurance doesn't cover any insulin at all and an other thing they don't cover Afrezza bcos of business reasons.
It's like you are buying a pass to travel from A to b and the passs entitled you to travel by bus.
You can't demand to travel by a cab and demand insurance pay for it. They are a business too.
I am sure there are other plans offered that may cost more but every thing is covered.
May be ask Mannkind to reduce the cost to patients and sell direct?
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Post by peppy on Sept 19, 2017 22:53:31 GMT -5
1. My neighbor was getting out of the shower, she fell to the floor. Her titanium hip had come out of it's socket. She crawled to a phone and called a neighbor. in the emergency room the physician used his biceps and hands to push the head of the femur into the socket.
2. Another neighbor said, the same thing happened to her husband.
A year and a half later the original neighbor, (1) her hip once again came out of the socket. She died in the hospital after a total replacement.
www.hipandknee.com/hip-surgery/life-with-an-artificial-hip/
The literature said 15 to 20 years.
for discussion sake
A lot depends on the skill of the surgeon and the implant he or she uses. I was warned away from one doc whose patients suffered a lot of hip replacement failures (he finally stopped doing them, although he continued to "practice" medicine). I traveled over 200 miles to have mine done by a doc with a great reputation. So far, so good. My dead neighbors father was and brother is a physician. Luck of the draw for her I guess. One other thing nylefty, both neighbors were on chemo for cancer when their hip replacements failed. Elements with ionic charge.
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Post by peppy on Sept 19, 2017 23:18:16 GMT -5
It is difficult to believe we ARE the greatest country on the planet. Okay, peppy, I give up! So in what country do you live?  |
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Post by slugworth008 on Sept 19, 2017 23:59:30 GMT -5
Okay, peppy, I give up! So in what country do you live? An absolute classic !!!! Nice one - |
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Post by seanismorris on Sept 20, 2017 0:41:44 GMT -5
teenagers eat a lot. I remember my brother eating a totino's pizza when he got home from school for a snack. They are hungry. Thank you Zuegirdor. I would not want a cgm attached to me either. I can still eat an entire pizza... The mystery is how a 2lb pizza can cause you to gain 10lbs... I'm pretty sure 'dark matter' is involved, but haven't been able to prove it yet. I'm also pretty sure it's this 'dark matter' that was in the brains of our "representatives" when they "improved" our health care system. It's like the years and lessons learned by many many other countries was completely invisible to their consideration. I figure our Congresses 'hard work' on this issue amounted to asking insurance companies what our health care system should look like... On the bright side, I hear the British (govt) like what we've done and are considering adopting parts of it. So, we should see them dropping down the rankings (of best health care) shortly. It's good thing the Brits have a good sense of humor... or that they don't have the right to bare arms. |
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Post by liane on Sept 20, 2017 4:53:18 GMT -5
For instance, who knew hip replacements only last 10 years? hmmmm Yikes. Mine is 9 1/2....you mean it's only got six months to live? My 1st one is going on 20 years - guess I'm living on borrowed time  Certainly, I've taken care of it; no pounding activities, but revision still could be possibility somewhere down the road. That said, I just had the other side done last month. The technique they use now is phenomenal - just 1 night in the hospital, and back to work in a week. This latest one should last the rest of my life. |
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Post by careful2invest on Sept 20, 2017 5:28:20 GMT -5
Yikes. Mine is 9 1/2....you mean it's only got six months to live? My 1st one is going on 20 years - guess I'm living on borrowed time Certainly, I've taken care of it; no pounding activities, but revision still could be possibility somewhere down the road. That said, I just had the other side done last month. The technique they use now is phenomenal - just 1 night in the hospital, and back to work in a week. This latest one should last the rest of my life. Honestly very happy for you and everyone elses success with their hip replacements, but isn't this thread titled "label change" Please try to remain on topic before I am forced to lock this thread. Lol Couldn't resist!! GLTA! |
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 20, 2017 6:37:05 GMT -5
Yikes. Mine is 9 1/2....you mean it's only got six months to live? My 1st one is going on 20 years - guess I'm living on borrowed time Certainly, I've taken care of it; no pounding activities, but revision still could be possibility somewhere down the road. That said, I just had the other side done last month. The technique they use now is phenomenal - just 1 night in the hospital, and back to work in a week. This latest one should last the rest of my life. Thank you! Mine is 12 years old. My doctor told me it should last 20+ years. And that there would be many new advances in hip replacement by then:-) I was really getting a little sick to my stomach until I read your post! So glad yours went so well!! |
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Certainly, I've taken care of it; no pounding activities, but revision still could be possibility somewhere down the road. That said, I just had the other side done last month. The technique they use now is phenomenal - just 1 night in the hospital, and back to work in a week. This latest one should last the rest of my life.
