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Post by cretin11 on Apr 26, 2022 15:21:04 GMT -5
When you sell calls for premium you’re not bearish or bullish you just think the stock isn’t going anywhere at the moment… if you buy those calls back you think the stock is going up, and you do not want to lose your shares. Look up the risks of selling covered calls. Thank you for being so nice and patient with peppy and explaining this to her. In addition to your accurate explanation, another reason one might sell covered calls is simply because they have been doing it for years after years with a stock, all the while worried about losing some shares but rarely having that worry come to fruition. Ergo, the learned behavior becomes to continue selling covered calls (even when objectively it appears "good news" is just around the corner) and then buying them back relatively quickly and cheaply. Hypothetically speaking, of course. And definitely not from the Handbook of Brilliant Investing Strategies. |
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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 26, 2022 15:24:17 GMT -5
And that has been the smartest play over the years.
I know quite a few people who did that and then kept buying more cheap shares with the premium they received from selling their calls.
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Post by stockwhisperer on Apr 26, 2022 15:25:29 GMT -5
Just an observation - opinion but it seems some frequently try to plant interesting subtle seeds of worry around here that is often wrapped in the guise of hope - wanting success. The overall markets are a mess. Looking forward to better days ahead w/incoming good news for UTHR, MNKD & real investors. GL
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Post by peppy on Apr 26, 2022 15:29:44 GMT -5
NOPE. Lyrics Been away, haven't seen you in a while How've you been, have you changed your style? And do you think that we've grown up differently? Don't seem the same, seems you've lost your feel for me So let's leave it alone 'cause we can't see eye to eye There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy There's only you and me and we just disagree Ooh ooh ooh, oh oh oh I'm goin' back to a place that's far away, how 'bout you? Have you got a place to stay? Why should I care when I'm just trying to get along We were friends and now it's the end of our love song
So let's leave it alone 'cause we can't see eye to eye NO
There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy
There's only you and me and we just disagreeOoh ooh ooh, oh oh oh So let's leave it alone 'cause we can't see eye to eye There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy There's only you and me and we just disagree A year of you being short, and typing the carp you type, No, we were never friends. There was only a distain song. |
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Post by peppy on Apr 26, 2022 15:32:48 GMT -5
If I was trying to influence a stocks price downward, I wouldn't appeal to the diehards. I'd go after those on the fence. I don't see too many of the latter around here. stevil no need to appeal to anyone. It is big business. He is just playing here. No one here thinks Goldman or Blackrock care. and sorry for the off topic.. type response, by the way, hello. |
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Post by stockwhisperer on Apr 26, 2022 15:33:28 GMT -5
And that has been the smartest play over the years. I know quite a few people who did that and then kept buying more cheap shares with the premium they received from selling their calls. As you know, I never understood covered calls - or the calls that would make money while you waited. In retrospect, I probably should have learned more about them and used them over the years. Now, just let the FDA give the right an answer that matters for the sp. 😊 |
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Post by cretin11 on Apr 26, 2022 15:57:22 GMT -5
Just an observation - opinion but it seems some frequently try to plant interesting subtle seeds of worry around here that is often wrapped in the guise of hope - wanting success. The overall markets are a mess. Looking forward to better days ahead w/incoming good news for UTHR, MNKD & real investors. GL IMO your perception that some posters "try to plant interesting subtle seeds of worry around here that is often wrapped in the guise of hope - wanting success" is overthinking it. There are no subtle seeds of worry wrapped in guise of hope, rather there is real worry mixed in with real hope. That's just people being honest. It happens when people have a strong belief in a technology while at the same time feeling disappointed in a company's ability to turn that into expected bottom line results. It's like being a fan of a sports team where the talent is there, every season on paper a first or second place finish is predicted but season after season they finish in or near last place. At some point you may still have belief in the individual players but you start losing confidence in the coaches/GM, etc. You seem to be accusing this board of having posters who intentionally sow FUD, but for that you have to go to StockTwits or yahoo boards, it's not on PB. |
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Post by awesomo on Apr 26, 2022 16:07:55 GMT -5
And that has been the smartest play over the years. I know quite a few people who did that and then kept buying more cheap shares with the premium they received from selling their calls. As you know, I never understood covered calls - or the calls that would make money while you waited. In retrospect, I probably should have learned more about them and used them over the years. Now, just let the FDA give the right an answer that matters for the sp. 😊 Essentially just banking on shares not exploding up and then collecting the premium. So you could sell MNKD covered calls at a strike price of $4 and as long as it stays below that, the option isn't exercised and you keep the shares. It limits the upside, and doesn't protect on the downside, but very effective if the share price just plods along with little movement. :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/TheBasicsofCoveredCalls-e9b54e56a9c74812b728f6c4585e4192.jpg) |
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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 26, 2022 17:03:29 GMT -5
Nate tells them it’s on here…they’re hearing it on the Interwebs..
Look here’s the truth, we have great technology, we have the best insulin on the market, but the PPS/stock is a piece of s—t. ( Most of the time )
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Post by stockwhisperer on Apr 26, 2022 17:36:38 GMT -5
Just an observation - opinion but it seems some frequently try to plant interesting subtle seeds of worry around here that is often wrapped in the guise of hope - wanting success. The overall markets are a mess. Looking forward to better days ahead w/incoming good news for UTHR, MNKD & real investors. GL IMO your perception that some posters "try to plant interesting subtle seeds of worry around here that is often wrapped in the guise of hope - wanting success" is overthinking it. There are no subtle seeds of worry wrapped in guise of hope, rather there is real worry mixed in with real hope. That's just people being honest. It happens when people have a strong belief in a technology while at the same time feeling disappointed in a company's ability to turn that into expected bottom line results. It's like being a fan of a sports team where the talent is there, every season on paper a first or second place finish is predicted but season after season they finish in or near last place. At some point you may still have belief in the individual players but you start losing confidence in the coaches/GM, etc. You seem to be accusing this board of having posters who intentionally sow FUD, but for that you have to go to StockTwits or yahoo boards, it's not on PB. i don’t see it your way. It’s a real and very serious investment for me. Not to be compared with sports - baseball or football teams or anything else. Don’t believe in it - have doubts, worries - talk in private - not on public forums. Do real DD and sell it if it is so bad. Example in the thread I read this afternoon - why did you even mention a reverse split? - subtle seed? How many good things might folks talk about instead?… check out Mango’s frequent posts. You come across as being a bit of a rabble rouser. As far as pbs - I have belonged to it for years. it can be as good or bad as anywhere else - mods or no mods. It all depends on the day and the posts. |
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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 26, 2022 17:43:26 GMT -5
Just my opinion but message boards are to talk about doubts. And bullish projections of where they think the stock could go with the right kind of revenue. And trying to figure out what’s up with RSL. What SNY was hiding….. what exactly is covered by Medicare. So many things, we have a wealth of information packed away from being here all these years. Free speech:-)
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Post by cretin11 on Apr 26, 2022 17:50:59 GMT -5
I get where you’re coming from whisperer, and I used to get annoyed at posters who had negative things to say. It never dissuaded me from believing what I wanted to believe, and in fact I sometimes assumed those folks were just being negative because they were clueless (or worse). Of course I learned that wasn’t the case, they just had a different perspective than me. IMO it’s equally bad if people on a board are intentionally hiding negative info/perspectives out of a desire to whitewash things and manipulate share price. Ultimately the story is told as facts and events emerge, a company gives guidance and either meets it or not, etc. Those things move share price over the long haul.
I’m a long term holder and not too caught up in the minuscule amount of sway this board might theoretically have on our share price. If we perform, get to CFBE and beyond, our share price will move accordingly no matter what anyone says.
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Post by peppy on Apr 26, 2022 18:01:06 GMT -5
Just my opinion but message boards are to talk about doubts. And bullish projections of where they think the stock could go with the right kind of revenue. And trying to figure out what’s up with RSL. What SNY was hiding….. what exactly is covered by Medicare. So many things, we have a wealth of information packed away from being here all these years. Free speech:-) If you would like to know what exactly is covered by medicare, I have some reading for you. www.mnhealthcarechoices.comSo, part B covers, glucose monitoring sticks, and lancets. If you are really poor and in need of insulin there is a one time get 1 months worth of insulin free, so people do not die. With part D the highest monthly amount that will be paid for a medication is $830 dollars. (My words, kind of rules out type twos on afrezza at retail prices.) Anyway, it is in there, if you want to know what medicare has become it is in there. |
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Post by cretin11 on Apr 26, 2022 18:04:07 GMT -5
And as an aside, PB on its worst day is still way better than StockTwits on its best day. That’s all because of the mods here who quietly do clean up when needed. I know because of having my own posts removed, no fanfare or public calling out by them, it just happens. And it’s never because of being “too negative” or anything related to perspective, it’s only when posts stray too far from the relevant topic at hand. Head over to ST and it’s obvious they have no supervision and they sure could use it.
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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 26, 2022 18:09:25 GMT -5
Just my opinion but message boards are to talk about doubts. And bullish projections of where they think the stock could go with the right kind of revenue. And trying to figure out what’s up with RSL. What SNY was hiding….. what exactly is covered by Medicare. So many things, we have a wealth of information packed away from being here all these years. Free speech:-) If you would like to know what exactly is covered by medicare, I have some reading for you. www.mnhealthcarechoices.comSo, part B covers, glucose monitoring sticks, and lancets. If you are really poor and in need of insulin there is a one time get 1 months worth of insulin free, so people do not die. With part D the highest monthly amount that will be paid for a medication is $830 dollars. (My words, kind of rules out type twos on afrezza at retail prices.) Anyway, it is in there, if you want to know what medicare has become it is in there. We were simply discussing CGM’s on another thread. |
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