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Post by tbone on Nov 12, 2015 10:25:08 GMT -5
......the outcry over longs 'manipulating' the stock? Funny it is only manipulated lower by those in the minority position. Cracks me up to see the lower price ALWAYS blamed on manipulation. Yikes. Sell some Afrezza!
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Post by cretin11 on Nov 12, 2015 10:26:15 GMT -5
......the outcry over longs 'manipulating' the stock? Funny it is only manipulated lower by those in the minority position. Cracks me up to see the lower price ALWAYS blamed on manipulation. Yikes. Sell some Afrezza! Maybe this is the lack of manipulation, in other words reverting to more of a true pricing?
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Post by tbone on Nov 12, 2015 10:29:16 GMT -5
Oh please
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Post by doubleo7 on Nov 12, 2015 10:29:57 GMT -5
At least the longs got the timing correct
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Post by cretin11 on Nov 12, 2015 10:32:41 GMT -5
haha tbone, "oh please" indeed. After all the shenanigans against this stock, and you wanna whine about an overdue uptick this morning?
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Post by fedakd on Nov 12, 2015 10:33:06 GMT -5
Could the OP be banned?
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Post by babaoriley on Nov 12, 2015 10:44:29 GMT -5
......the outcry over longs 'manipulating' the stock? Funny it is only manipulated lower by those in the minority position. Cracks me up to see the lower price ALWAYS blamed on manipulation. Yikes. Sell some Afrezza! Did you see how evenly the stock traded on the TASE? I wouldn't at all be surprised if a cartel of longs actually had a bid in at around 900 shekels all day. Of course, someone had to also cover our exchange for about an hour, just to make sure the short attack didn't come domestically.
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Post by tbone on Nov 12, 2015 10:45:18 GMT -5
Ban me for drawing to your attention how the conspiracy theory of short manipulation has overtaken this board? Go ahead. I'm as long as the next guy here and have been for 11 years and 4 months. Kick me out because I ask where the manipulation cry is when the stock spikes 70 cents at the TASE close. Hahaha. If it had dropped 70 cents then ''manipulation' would be the only word being read. That's the point of OP. For the record, I sold a bunch of $2 Jan puts yesterday potentially increasing my long position. No, I don't wear a tin foil hat and I won't. Do I get kicked out for that?
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Post by cretin11 on Nov 12, 2015 10:54:14 GMT -5
tbone are you seriously a long but you don't believe there's been ANY short manipulation of the share price?
Apologies if I'm not understanding the gist of your posts here.
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Post by me on Nov 12, 2015 10:59:16 GMT -5
Ban me for drawing to your attention how the conspiracy theory of short manipulation has overtaken this board? Go ahead. I'm as long as the next guy here and have been for 11 years and 4 months. Kick me out because I ask where the manipulation cry is when the stock spikes 70 cents at the TASE close. Hahaha. If it had dropped 70 cents then ''manipulation' would be the only word being read. That's the point of OP. For the record, I sold a bunch of $2 Jan puts yesterday potentially increasing my long position. No, I don't wear a tin foil hat and I won't. Do I get kicked out for that? Are you two seriously bickering between yourselves?! C'mon, I've posted many times before how you have to be much more subtle about this!
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Post by tbone on Nov 12, 2015 11:07:08 GMT -5
tbone are you seriously a long but you don't believe there's been ANY short manipulation of the share price? Apologies if I'm not understanding the gist of your posts here. Do I think there are efforts to bash and see a lower price? Sure. Do I think that those controlling 100 million short shares can manipulate the price of this stock for any more than seconds? No. The market is made up of everyone, not to mention that the longs control 400+ million shares. Why would you give credit to a few shorts for the low price of the stock we see. The price is based on where the buyer and seller agree, correct? So, at any given time, buyers are free to jump all over this 'mispriced' stock to bring the price back in line. Why doesn't that happen?? Because the price of the stock is based on no sales and no money, not on an article by AF or anyone else. Sure, he draws attention to the negative aspects of the situation but he does not manipulate the stock price. You really give shorts a lot of credit if you think so. To read all the manipulation cries really makes me question anything else that one says. Think about it. If shorts wanted to drive AAPL to $2, could they? Why not? Exactly.
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Post by cretin11 on Nov 12, 2015 11:14:54 GMT -5
Fair points tbone. The whole world of shorts and manipulation is new to me, until I got involved with MNKD (and getting over weight in it, for better or worse). So I am trying to figure out the answers to those Qs too, especially "to what degree can shorts manipulate?"
But 120 million is more than "a few" so I tend to think the manipulative power is stronger than what you're theorizing. But I'm no expert and won't ever claim to be.
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Post by BlueCat on Nov 12, 2015 11:16:13 GMT -5
From the Foil Hat contingent, you may not join our club.
And yes, manipulation of market is not solely proposed here on Proboards by a few of us crazed longs.
And sure. Kennedy was taken out by one crazy guy circling the globe with nothing better to do.
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Post by tonyz on Nov 12, 2015 11:18:24 GMT -5
Yesterday seemed to be a lot of panic selling resulting in huge volume. This is often referred to as capitulation. That's where the pain just becomes unbearable and people sell at any price. I suspect many short sellers grabbed the opportunity to cover yesterday. I know I would have if I was short. I don't think that is manipulation, just smart trading. However when someone with a large following spreads a false rumor without confirming the validity, it at least smells of manipulation. It may be hard to prove though. As for today's trading some big money came in started buying in volume around 10:15 am EST(about 10 million shares in 15 minutes) Whatever that was it was serious money, not stock manipulation. I don't pretend to know whether it was a fund, a company, a private investor or what, but it definitely wasn't some clown who writes a column laying out 25 million dollars to manipulate Mannkind stock. I don't even know where the price will settle today, but stock manipulation? I don't think so.
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Post by jpg on Nov 12, 2015 11:21:19 GMT -5
Whoever believes strongly enough in a particular narrative (short or long) will believe it enough to put their money where their mouth is and push the market that way and time will prove them right or wrong.
This is what has been happening in Mannkind. What is wrong with this is the asymetrical nature of information giving shorts the advantage and the seemingly coordinated disinformation campaign that never seems to br sanctioned ot even looked into (and not just for Mannkind obviously).
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