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Post by anderson on Nov 17, 2016 17:44:52 GMT -5
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Post by babaoriley on Nov 17, 2016 18:00:43 GMT -5
liane, you really have a "thing" for attorneys! We're very nice, reasonably people. At least the ones I hang with are; of course, I try not to hang with litigators - sounds too much like alligators, right? I especially love class action attorneys, they are absolutely the best!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 18:55:48 GMT -5
This board really is too funny. All of you are invested in a medicine that is being road blocked due to narrow minded Dr's and yet so many of you are narrow minded. You would think it would transfer for over to other ideas but nope pot calling the kettle black
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 19:02:06 GMT -5
DING DING DING Our prison system is a 75 billion $ business. Pot arrests and incarerations have a pretty big hand in those numbers. Reclassifying the drug would mean lesser sentences and fines for people arrested with the drug which means less money to the system. Those police officers that look like they belong in the middle east that ram down peoples door for pot do it because there are federal incentives for arrests. More arrests mean more over time and more militarized toys for raids. You can order a pound of pot online and have it delivered by the united states post office. People just have a clue as to whats really going on
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Post by audiomr on Nov 17, 2016 23:37:25 GMT -5
Here are more recent quotes from Trump: What has he said?
Bill O’Reilly said legalized marijuana is a $1 billion industry in Colorado and claimed all the “dealers” and “pushers” are going there to “load up on it” and then “zoom around the country selling it.” He then asked Trump if it concerns him, to which Trump responded: “That’s a real problem.”
O’Reilly asked Trump what he would do about it, and Trump responded: “There is another problem. In Colorado, the book isn’t written on it yet, but there is a lot of difficulty in terms of illness and what’s going on with the brain and the mind and what it’s doing. So, you know, it’s coming out probably over the next year or so. It’s going to come out.”
O’Reilly continued to ask what Trump would do about it, and Trump responded: “I would really want to think about that one, Bill. Because in some ways I think it’s good and in other ways it’s bad. I do want to see what the medical effects are. I have to see what the medical effects are and, by the way — medical marijuana, medical? I’m in favor of it a hundred percent. But what you are talking about, perhaps not. It’s causing a lot of problems out there.
O’Reilly then called medical marijuana a “ruse,” to which Trump responded: “But I know people that have serious problems and they did that they really — it really does help them.” The O’Reilly Factor, February 12, 2016 www.mpp.org/2016-presidential-candidates/#Donald I have even money on Trump moving to legalize it at the federal level. IMO - Ultimately that IS what needs to happen...when is the question. If the President could just reach down and do that, you'd think it would have happened by now. The current administration has already basically said that it will not enforce against state provisions (not many howls against this selective enforcement, eh?), yet the DEA still chooses to list marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug. A lot of resistance in Congress. It's not so simple.
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Post by slugworth008 on Nov 18, 2016 0:24:38 GMT -5
I have even money on Trump moving to legalize it at the federal level. IMO - Ultimately that IS what needs to happen...when is the question. If the President could just reach down and do that, you'd think it would have happened by now. The current administration has already basically said that it will not enforce against state provisions (not many howls against this selective enforcement, eh?), yet the DEA still chooses to list marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug. A lot of resistance in Congress. It's not so simple. I was very surprised when Congress maintained the Schedule 1 rating. Stunned actually. But Yes, it is more complicated than it seems.
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Post by slugworth008 on Nov 18, 2016 0:25:03 GMT -5
I have even money on Trump moving to legalize it at the federal level. IMO - Ultimately that IS what needs to happen...when is the question. If the President could just reach down and do that, you'd think it would have happened by now. The current administration has already basically said that it will not enforce against state provisions (not many howls against this selective enforcement, eh?), yet the DEA still chooses to list marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug. A lot of resistance in Congress. It's not so simple. But wait....Executive Order anyone ??
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Post by peppy on Nov 18, 2016 5:27:08 GMT -5
If the President could just reach down and do that, you'd think it would have happened by now. The current administration has already basically said that it will not enforce against state provisions (not many howls against this selective enforcement, eh?), yet the DEA still chooses to list marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug. A lot of resistance in Congress. It's not so simple. But wait....Executive Order anyone ?? How to schedule a drug.
1. congress signs it into law or
2. petition filed with the attorney general, conducts an independent review.
- petition goes to health and human services, an eight point review; 5parts scientific in nature, 3 parts specifically focused on abuse.
- Health and human services sends it's findings and rescheduling recommendations back to the attorney general
-attorney general reviews and if the recommendation was to reschedule, the attorney general office can initiate the rule making process.
to reschedule - proposed rule, public notice and comment, revisited rules, published final rules. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is the part I do not understand and would like to understand. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and state law. Something like, when the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA incorporated in 1873 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA became the district of Columbia.
Something like the real reason the federal government does not shut down state dispensaries is jurisdiction.
In the mean time confiscation has been a huge money maker.
Government brings the drugs in, sells them, cash business. Then confiscates users assets. Cash business. Then privatized jails. GDP.
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Post by falconquest on Nov 18, 2016 6:17:40 GMT -5
I'm going to take a lot of heat for this but we're hanging our hat on a licensee who may very well develop some sort of cannabis drug and then pay Mannkind royalties some day? And this will generate cash to sustain our campaign to introduce Afrezza. My gosh, we spent $2B to develop the most innovative insulin product ever that offers the best treatment option for those with diabetes which will in turn help cut overall medical costs in this country and we're hanging our hat on a pot drug? I don't dispute the benefits of cannabis but really? Can we just sell the product we spent billions creating? I just shake my head.
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Post by nylefty on Nov 18, 2016 9:55:24 GMT -5
Trump has picked Sen. Jeff Sessions to be his attorney general. Bad news for the cannabis industry. Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions is so backward on marijuana reform, he doesn't even want people talking about it.
“You can't have the President of the United States of America talking about marijuana," Sessions said during a Senate meeting last March. "You are sending a message to young people that there is no danger in this process. It is false that marijuana use doesn't lead people to more drug use. It is already causing a disturbance in the States that have made it legal.”
Senator Sessions is basically a talking time-capsule of the 1970s War on Drugs. The notion that marijuana leads people to abuse harder drugs has been debunked. And despite fears that loosening drug laws would increase consumption, states like Colorado haven't seen a spike in drug use following legalization.But Sessions isn't budging on the issue. Recently, he hosted a Senate hearing on marijuana that the Drug Policy Alliance dubbed a prohibitionist party. Which sounds like skipping the night out and going straight for the hangover. At the hearing, Sessions presented prohibition as a moral crusade, not just a matter of public health and criminal justice.
He called on his colleagues to spread the message "that this drug is dangerous, you cannot play with it, it is not funny, it's not something to laugh about... and to send that message with clarity that good people don't smoke marijuana."
So he's opposed to cannabis, as well as stoner comedies and Senator Ted Cruz, who loves making pot brownie jokes. No wonder Sessions received an F in NORML's congressional grades.www.civilized.life/articles/heres-where-trumps-rumored-attorney-general-candidates-stand-on-cannabis/
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Post by audiomr on Nov 18, 2016 12:05:02 GMT -5
I would just like to point out, that despite all the hope surrounding RLS, we do have a new federal administration coming in January. There are several candidates in the running for the AG, who w/o question, are hostile to the states that are currently allowing cannabis sales for both rec and med sales. Do not be surprised that if one these candidates gets in, he goes after those states to become compliant with federal law. Withholding federal highway funding would be an easy way to get compliance. I'm surprised no one in the national media has said anything about this yet. I started thinking about it the night of Nov. 8. There's the real possibility that CA will never see one single rec cannabis store open for business next year. Cheers. AG would just have to start enforcing the federal law in those states. DEA would bust the stores, distributors, growers. The stuff at the state level is happening only because the Obama admin indicated that it would look the other way.
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Post by audiomr on Nov 18, 2016 12:10:12 GMT -5
If the President could just reach down and do that, you'd think it would have happened by now. The current administration has already basically said that it will not enforce against state provisions (not many howls against this selective enforcement, eh?), yet the DEA still chooses to list marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug. A lot of resistance in Congress. It's not so simple. But wait....Executive Order anyone ?? Executive orders are circumscribed by what are designated as executive powers. The President cannot unilaterally revoke an existing statute. Where he does have some latitude is in how enforcement resources are deployed, and even there, if the statute is explicit enough he may not have much wiggle room.
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Post by audiomr on Nov 18, 2016 12:16:07 GMT -5
But wait....Executive Order anyone ?? How to schedule a drug.
1. congress signs it into law or
2. petition filed with the attorney general, conducts an independent review.
- petition goes to health and human services, an eight point review; 5parts scientific in nature, 3 parts specifically focused on abuse.
- Health and human services sends it's findings and rescheduling recommendations back to the attorney general
-attorney general reviews and if the recommendation was to reschedule, the attorney general office can initiate the rule making process.
to reschedule - proposed rule, public notice and comment, revisited rules, published final rules. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is the part I do not understand and would like to understand. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and state law. Something like, when the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA incorporated in 1873 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA became the district of Columbia.
Something like the real reason the federal government does not shut down state dispensaries is jurisdiction.
In the mean time confiscation has been a huge money maker.
Government brings the drugs in, sells them, cash business. Then confiscates users assets. Cash business. Then privatized jails. GDP.
The United States is all the states and territories, not just the District of Columbia. Federal authorities have full jurisdiction in every state for enforcing federal laws. Regarding our bizarre civil forfeiture system: Illegal drugs are routinely seized by law-enforcement agencies, but except for materials held for evidence they normally are destroyed, not sold or auctioned off. Other types of property seized from drug dealers may be sold, however.
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Post by audiomr on Nov 18, 2016 12:19:09 GMT -5
I'm going to take a lot of heat for this but we're hanging our hat on a licensee who may very well develop some sort of cannabis drug and then pay Mannkind royalties some day? And this will generate cash to sustain our campaign to introduce Afrezza. My gosh, we spent $2B to develop the most innovative insulin product ever that offers the best treatment option for those with diabetes which will in turn help cut overall medical costs in this country and we're hanging our hat on a pot drug? I don't dispute the benefits of cannabis but really? Can we just sell the product we spent billions creating? I just shake my head. I don't think many of us are hanging all that much on RLS. One can hope that it will generate some revenue and maybe extend the runway for Afrezza and EpiHale, but in the end, it's really all about selling Afrezza effectively.
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Post by mnholdem on Nov 18, 2016 12:39:15 GMT -5
(In my best Bill Clinton impersonation):
(Pfffft. Pffff.) "Yeh", (Pfffft) "that's right.".
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