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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 16:36:22 GMT -5
It is important to remember that price means different things to different people. To self-pay patients with no insurance of any type the retail price matters but most patients have some form of coverage. For those people, many only see the co-pay and it may not be different regardless of what drug is involved so they don't care about the final cost (although the PBM does). Unless Mannkind is willing and able to make Afrezza cheaper than other fast acting insulins, and thereby capture tier 1 formulary positions, much of the "cost savings" will accrue to managed care companies and not to the benefit of the patient. That is not what the game is about. A lower price can mean that the actual rebate the PBM pockets is smaller. Why would Mannkind want to reduce the PBM's profit? P-)
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Post by babaoriley on Jul 14, 2016 1:32:16 GMT -5
I spoke to Spiro today, he made the excellent point that the price has been effectively cut, in that the one month script contains far more doses than it did when Sanofi was peddling it. In that vein, how in the heck did they not figure out what was going wrong with total Rx? So many dropped cuz they were improperly dosing and then even if they were dosing close to correctly, they'd run out after 20 days!! Spiro made several other points, but I don't want to mislead you with those! He's doing great, by the way, a very energetic fellow! It was clear from the numbers posted every week that people were dropping out left and right, but what a lesson in investing psychology (general psychology, really, ever date someone that in hindsight was clearly not right for you?)! We saw the numbers and simply did not, or flat out refused to, believe them! A very few commented on those TRx numbers from time to time, but there should have been an in depth discussion - I, more stupidly than usual, saw them and just thought I must be misinterpreting them, I mean, once shown the light of day, why would anyone go back into darkness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 8:31:22 GMT -5
I spoke to Spiro today, he made the excellent point that the price has been effectively cut, in that the one month script contains far more doses than it did when Sanofi was peddling it. In that vein, how in the heck did they not figure out what was going wrong with total Rx? So many dropped cuz they were improperly dosing and then even if they were dosing close to correctly, they'd run out after 20 days!! Spiro made several other points, but I don't want to mislead you with those! He's doing great, by the way, a very energetic fellow! It was clear from the numbers posted every week that people were dropping out left and right, but what a lesson in investing psychology (general psychology, really, ever date someone that in hindsight was clearly not right for you?)! We saw the numbers and simply did not, or flat out refused to, believe them! A very few commented on those TRx numbers from time to time, but there should have been an in depth discussion - I, more stupidly than usual, saw them and just thought I must be misinterpreting them, I mean, once shown the light of day, why would anyone go back into darkness. There were way too many market makers are after your shares and Goldman Sachs is out to destroy MNKD or institutions are adding then so am I. Anything negative was labeled a short every where on social media.Obviously what we saw the past 12-18 months was the difference between retail and smart money.
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Post by johnhindepost on Jul 14, 2016 9:06:38 GMT -5
sportsrancho. Thanks for your quick reply on Mike Hoskins Afrezza query. MannKind replied instantly to Mike.
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Post by peppy on Jul 14, 2016 9:09:16 GMT -5
I spoke to Spiro today, he made the excellent point that the price has been effectively cut, in that the one month script contains far more doses than it did when Sanofi was peddling it. In that vein, how in the heck did they not figure out what was going wrong with total Rx? So many dropped cuz they were improperly dosing and then even if they were dosing close to correctly, they'd run out after 20 days!! Spiro made several other points, but I don't want to mislead you with those! He's doing great, by the way, a very energetic fellow! It was clear from the numbers posted every week that people were dropping out left and right, but what a lesson in investing psychology (general psychology, really, ever date someone that in hindsight was clearly not right for you?)! We saw the numbers and simply did not, or flat out refused to, believe them! A very few commented on those TRx numbers from time to time, but there should have been an in depth discussion - I, more stupidly than usual, saw them and just thought I must be misinterpreting them, I mean, once shown the light of day, why would anyone go back into darkness. quote; Spiro today, he made the excellent point that the price has been effectively cut, in that the one month script contains far more doses than it did when Sanofi was peddling
reply; darn good point. The Afrezza price cut, more for the money. Meal based, need based.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 11:00:51 GMT -5
any one know why Late August sample packs for new adopters when reps have started visiting docs last week in june? what are they handing out for samples?
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Post by saxcmann on Jul 20, 2016 17:35:28 GMT -5
any one know why Late August sample packs for new adopters when reps have started visiting docs last week in june? what are they handing out for samples? Reps haven't visited docs yet. (At least my endo friend they haven't) They did call him last week and discuss. Said rep will be out early August.
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Post by centralcoastinvestor on Jul 20, 2016 17:44:50 GMT -5
any one know why Late August sample packs for new adopters when reps have started visiting docs last week in june? what are they handing out for samples? I believe Mike C. mentioned somewhere that they wanted to visit the doctors that were already prescribing Afrezza to let them know that Afrezza would not be taken off the market. It also would not hurt to give those doctors that are already prescribing Afrezza special attention to make sure their clients already on Afrezza have no issues.
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Post by sportsrancho on Jul 20, 2016 17:46:43 GMT -5
any one know why Late August sample packs for new adopters when reps have started visiting docs last week in june? what are they handing out for samples? Reps haven't visited docs yet. (At least my endo friend they haven't) They did call him last week and discuss. Said rep will be out early August. Thanks sax, love hearing from you, and also your ideas and opinions!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 18:00:47 GMT -5
any one know why Late August sample packs for new adopters when reps have started visiting docs last week in june? what are they handing out for samples? Reps haven't visited docs yet. (At least my endo friend they haven't) They did call him last week and discuss. Said rep will be out early August. Sales territory? In my area they started last week of June. Visiting my area every week ( 80 miles from metro)
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Post by saxcmann on Jul 20, 2016 18:04:13 GMT -5
Reps haven't visited docs yet. (At least my endo friend they haven't) They did call him last week and discuss. Said rep will be out early August. Thanks sax, love hearing from you, and also your ideas and opinions! Thanks Sports. I'll try and post more and give more feedback if needed. I'm done with YMB.
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Post by sportsrancho on Jul 20, 2016 18:08:27 GMT -5
Thanks sax, love hearing from you, and also your ideas and opinions! Thanks Sports. I'll try and post more and give more feedback if needed. I'm done with YMB. I saw that:-) I only went there to read yours, and sayhay's posts!
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Post by saxcmann on Jul 20, 2016 18:11:22 GMT -5
Reps haven't visited docs yet. (At least my endo friend they haven't) They did call him last week and discuss. Said rep will be out early August. Sales territory? In my area they started last week of June. Visiting my area every week ( 80 miles from metro) South/East area.
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Post by saxcmann on Jul 20, 2016 18:30:03 GMT -5
Thanks Sports. I'll try and post more and give more feedback if needed. I'm done with YMB. I saw that:-) I only went there to read yours, and sayhay's posts! I really hope Chrisdc (from ymb) starts posting here as well. Yahoo board had a good format but went south with recent changes. I was in the health club industry for about 10 years. I sold my company in 2002. Now I sell insurance. Who woulda thought! I was hoping Mike C would ask my endo friend to speak for mnkd. My friend cancelled with sny after he found out about sny dropping afrezza. Gotta run, going on a bike ride now...
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