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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 22:20:33 GMT -5
Short and long are opposite sides of the same coin. Some people think a stock is overvalued so they short, some think it is undervalued so they accumulate. While you might find it annoying that the short sellers can announce that they think the company's story is full of holes and that they are betting against it, you can't really prevent it unless you are willing to shut down promotional activities for the stock and sites like this one that are heavily weighted towards advocates of the company and its product. For every Ackerman out there who shorts Herbalife, there are ten Warren Buffets that look for good companies and take the long side. The reality is once Al Mann decided to take the company public, he lost the right to control the spin and who owns the shares. That is the cost of accessing the huge amount of funding available in the capital markets. While some percentage of the short side is a reflection of one side of a coin as you describe it, there is much more than that here and I tend to agree with centralcoastinvestor that MNKD was "intentionally targeted" by "big pharma" (peppy). Putting the herbal life comparison completely aside, the level of shorting, clearly visible manipulation at level 2 including HFT and dark pool activity over the course of this stock, even continuing when this stock has been battered to $1 and below, points to more than two sides of the same coin. iam2sekc4U2002 point is also well taken that MNKD had a hand in contributing to all this (by action -lending to BofA and inaction). No tin foil hat here but looking at all this , including the hatchet jobs by "analysts" this is about destroying MNKD and thereby stemming off any innovative threat. Everything after Brandicourt took over points to collusion and malfeasance on Sanofi's part and we shouldn't be surprised if this was a coordinated effort; look what happened to the shorting immediately after Sanofi signed on. This is not the first stock I have invested in where a small company with an innovative and disruptive FDA approved product was brutalized by big pharma and its interests with an attempt to grind the company into oblivion. Fool me once ... but in this case MNKD has the fortitude to keep fighting. Let's hope the gamble (mechstan) pays off for the sake of our investment and the diabetic community. Maybe that is the very reasons for why there are no opportunities for anyone to falsely and intentionally try to do the same to RLS. MannKind saw it coming, hence, they virtually made a complete 180 of the entire company immediately after Sanofi's decision to burn Afrezza so they could have their own product, toujeo, on the same pedestal as Lantus since it had expired it's patent protection. What Sanofi didn't expect, is any of what is currently happening.
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Post by babaoriley on Jul 21, 2016 0:54:40 GMT -5
Interesting post. I'll try to be very clear on this: 1. SEC is useless. They settle with Herbalife for 200mm to close the case. If you believe in public institutions (that everyone of you pay with your taxes) you have to accept their decision. Done. Ponzi What? It doesn't exist a case. Stop. Ackman lose, game over for him. Actually, he is running a worst scheme (Valeant). He is a GOD? Well, probably looking to his bank account he is, but, until now, he get What he deserves. 2. Short side: I'm agree with people shorting, but only with shares they really own. Like you said, If you can create "air", "fake", "artificial" shares it's like playing a basket game with an handicap of -25 before game start. Solution? I said it before. Really simple, do like Germany done, BAN naked short. That's it (sometimes easy it's to stupid to be true right?). If longs could create shares to add to their position for free, I'll bet you, we will win no doubt. 3. FDA is corrupted: I'll not say too much on this. Just read this and it's enough to understand. www.davidicke.com/article/369770/former-fda-commissioner-margaret-hamburg-named-massive-conspiracy-racketeering-lawsuit-involving-johnson-johnson-wall-street-hedge-fund-levaquin-drug When the head of FDA in collusion with his husband (who run an hedge fund) do this kind of thing, or even worst (do you remember she accepted to delay Afrezza approval because of Shrekil letter??) what can you get from the market? 4. Mnkd: like someone said, this is a WAR to take down a STATUS QUO. David vs Goliat. Can MNKD win? Probably will not, but at least they tried. God bless Mr Al. Big Pharma are just part of the picture. The big MONSTER here is WS and MM. thanks OP "2. Short side: I'm agree with people shorting, but only with shares they really own." Huh? Do you mean actually, legitimately borrowed? Otherwise, your definition of shorting is just selling all or a portion of your long position, right? What am I missing, op?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 5:54:36 GMT -5
Interesting post. I'll try to be very clear on this: 1. SEC is useless. They settle with Herbalife for 200mm to close the case. If you believe in public institutions (that everyone of you pay with your taxes) you have to accept their decision. Done. Ponzi What? It doesn't exist a case. Stop. Ackman lose, game over for him. Actually, he is running a worst scheme (Valeant). He is a GOD? Well, probably looking to his bank account he is, but, until now, he get What he deserves. 2. Short side: I'm agree with people shorting, but only with shares they really own. Like you said, If you can create "air", "fake", "artificial" shares it's like playing a basket game with an handicap of -25 before game start. Solution? I said it before. Really simple, do like Germany done, BAN naked short. That's it (sometimes easy it's to stupid to be true right?). If longs could create shares to add to their position for free, I'll bet you, we will win no doubt. 3. FDA is corrupted: I'll not say too much on this. Just read this and it's enough to understand. www.davidicke.com/article/369770/former-fda-commissioner-margaret-hamburg-named-massive-conspiracy-racketeering-lawsuit-involving-johnson-johnson-wall-street-hedge-fund-levaquin-drug When the head of FDA in collusion with his husband (who run an hedge fund) do this kind of thing, or even worst (do you remember she accepted to delay Afrezza approval because of Shrekil letter??) what can you get from the market? 4. Mnkd: like someone said, this is a WAR to take down a STATUS QUO. David vs Goliat. Can MNKD win? Probably will not, but at least they tried. God bless Mr Al. Big Pharma are just part of the picture. The big MONSTER here is WS and MM. thanks OP "2. Short side: I'm agree with people shorting, but only with shares they really own." Huh? Do you mean actually, legitimately borrowed? Otherwise, your definition of shorting is just selling all or a portion of your long position, right? What am I missing, op? What you are missing is op's misunderstanding. Lol
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Post by op2778 on Jul 21, 2016 8:19:22 GMT -5
You understand my point, legitimately borrowed.
Thanks op
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