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Post by patten1962 on Sept 29, 2016 8:21:35 GMT -5
Was talking with 2 different Pharma reps. They both told me updates can be up to 3 months delayed. So what we have been seeing may be from early July. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thought it was important to post this here vs on the script thread. Move if you wish.
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Post by mannmade on Sept 29, 2016 8:25:39 GMT -5
Not my areas but thought Symphony and IMS data were fairly current to the week prior. What is is his explanation about the veracity of their data which is estimated but supposed to be statistically correct within acceptable margins?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 8:34:47 GMT -5
Was talking with 2 different Pharma reps. They both told me updates can be up to 3 months delayed. So what we have been seeing may be from early July. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thought it was important to post this here vs on the script thread. Move if you wish. Wrong. As reported by IMS and Symphony, they are from a week prior. There isnt 3 month lag. Some data source may lag and some may not provide that data, but IMS and Symphony does have algorithms to fill that. what was the reason they gave for the delay?
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Post by od on Sept 29, 2016 8:41:23 GMT -5
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Post by rockstarrick on Sept 29, 2016 9:33:22 GMT -5
Was talking with 2 different Pharma reps. They both told me updates can be up to 3 months delayed. So what we have been seeing may be from early July. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thought it was important to post this here vs on the script thread. Move if you wish. Wrong. As reported by IMS and Symphony, they are from a week prior. There isnt 3 month lag. Some data source may lag and some may not provide that data, but IMS and Symphony does have algorithms to fill that. what was the reason they gave for the delay? 3 month scripts are the reason for the delay, not a delay in reporting. PWD, at least some, fill every 3 months unless there's a problem. This wouldn't be noticed unless you were just launching a new drug, (like we are). The early "refill rate" could be delayed 90 days if the scripts being filled were 90 day scripts. I believe Mike C commented on this on Twitter, I'll look.
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Post by rockstarrick on Sept 29, 2016 9:50:08 GMT -5
Ok, it wasn't Mike C that tweeted the 90 scripts, it must've been a PWD, I'll find the tweet, I'm 99% sure I read it. still looking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 9:54:48 GMT -5
Wrong. As reported by IMS and Symphony, they are from a week prior. There isnt 3 month lag. Some data source may lag and some may not provide that data, but IMS and Symphony does have algorithms to fill that. what was the reason they gave for the delay? 3 month scripts are the reason for the delay, not a delay in reporting. PWD, at least some, fill every 3 months unless there's a problem. This wouldn't be noticed unless you were just launching a new drug, (like we are). The early "refill rate" could be delayed 90 days if the scripts being filled were 90 day scripts. I believe Mike C commented on this on Twitter, I'll look. Who is talking about refill rate? Even if it's yearly script, it's filled in 1 day in pharmacy and reported in scripts count. Not sure if we are talking the same thing?
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Post by patten1962 on Sept 29, 2016 9:55:00 GMT -5
Was talking with 2 different Pharma reps. They both told me updates can be up to 3 months delayed. So what we have been seeing may be from early July. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thought it was important to post this here vs on the script thread. Move if you wish. Wrong. As reported by IMS and Symphony, they are from a week prior. There isnt 3 month lag. Some data source may lag and some may not provide that data, but IMS and Symphony does have algorithms to fill that. what was the reason they gave for the delay? "I am" before you say wrong, I was told it sometimes take the pharmacy months to report new scripts. One works for teva the other works for lilly. I am suggesting maybe things are better then people think. It's hard to believe 50 sales reps in 2 1/2 months only have 7 new scripts.
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Post by mnholdem on Sept 29, 2016 10:01:01 GMT -5
Perhaps, patten1962 , you are talking about TOTAL scripts fro ALL pharmacies, which is causing some of the confusion on this thread. Healthcare data information companies like IMS or Symphony have hundreds, if not thousands, of accounts that electronically submit data to them.
There weekly report that is available to prescribers has a 1-week lag time, but it doesn't capture ALL scripts. The pharmaceutical company would have that information and it is common for BP to report quarterly sales for specific drugs.
I don't think your friend is referring to IMS/Symphony data when he mentions a 3-month delay of pharmacy reporting. He's talking about the rest, that goes largely unreported until the company publishes sales figures.
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Post by rockstarrick on Sept 29, 2016 10:15:31 GMT -5
Ok, it wasn't Mike C that tweeted the 90 scripts, it must've been a PWD, I'll find the tweet, I'm 99% sure I read it. still looking. Here is one I found, my father in law would be another. I asked Mike C this morning, waiting for an answer.
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Post by matt on Sept 29, 2016 10:23:52 GMT -5
There weekly report that is available to prescribers has a 1-week lag time, but it doesn't capture ALL scripts. The pharmaceutical company would have that information and it is common for BP to report quarterly sales for specific drugs.
That is true, but the sales numbers provided by the pharma companies are their sales into the wholesale chain and not sales to end consumers. Pharmas know by dose by lot number who they sold their product to, but if the sale is to a large wholesaler like McKession, Amerisource Bergen, or Cardinal Healthcare it may flow down to a retail pharmacy (sale transaction two) and then to the final customer (sale transaction three). Nobody can track all of the pieces with precision, and that there is a time lag between when the dose ships from the factory to the wholesaler, and when the consumer fills a script. Often that is a matter of a few weeks, but it can be months in slower parts of the supply chain.
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Post by patten1962 on Sept 29, 2016 10:23:53 GMT -5
Perhaps, patten1962 , you are talking about TOTAL scripts fro ALL pharmacies, which is causing some of the confusion on this thread. Healthcare data information companies like IMS or Symphony have hundreds, if not thousands, of accounts that electronically submit data to them.
There weekly report that is available to prescribers has a 1-week lag time, but it doesn't capture ALL scripts. The pharmaceutical company would have that information and it is common for BP to report quarterly sales for specific drugs.
I don't think your friend is referring to IMS/Symphony data when he mentions a 3-month delay of pharmacy reporting. He's talking about the rest, that goes largely unreported until the company publishes sales figures. Thank you. My friend said the reports can be estimated. Her company uses IMS. I am just sharing what was told by people in the industry. Just makes no sense that 50 sales reps in almost 3 months only have 7 or so new scripts. Any thoughts? I always enjoy your posts. Thank you.
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Post by rockstarrick on Sept 29, 2016 10:24:48 GMT -5
3 month scripts are the reason for the delay, not a delay in reporting. PWD, at least some, fill every 3 months unless there's a problem. This wouldn't be noticed unless you were just launching a new drug, (like we are). The early "refill rate" could be delayed 90 days if the scripts being filled were 90 day scripts. I believe Mike C commented on this on Twitter, I'll look. Who is talking about refill rate? Even if it's yearly script, it's filled in 1 day in pharmacy and reported in scripts count. Not sure if we are talking the same thing? Actually we are talking about the same thing, Afrezza script reporting. The original question, (or comment) was one of our members was talking to a few pharma reps and they told him script #'s reporting could be delayed by 90 days. I agreed with your explanation and gave you the "like" then went on to explain what I thought those reps may have been referring to. A very reasonable and likely misunderstanding that I was trying to help with.
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Post by peppy on Sept 29, 2016 10:38:56 GMT -5
here is our answer to scripts. sweedee dad. demand being resisted by physicians. Was sweedee's dad physician also resisting the office work involved in the script? That physician could see the difference in A1c and weight.
Any chance the guidelines change and three medications would not have to be failed before insulin initiated type 2?
Targets have to be Type 1. Freedom. How many type one's waiting for scripts with insurance help from Mannkind? Stay tuned. Freedom.
I wonder how Jay S could illustrate the dreamboat as freedom.
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Post by prvs on Sept 29, 2016 10:42:31 GMT -5
Perhaps, patten1962 , you are talking about TOTAL scripts fro ALL pharmacies, which is causing some of the confusion on this thread. Healthcare data information companies like IMS or Symphony have hundreds, if not thousands, of accounts that electronically submit data to them.
There weekly report that is available to prescribers has a 1-week lag time, but it doesn't capture ALL scripts. The pharmaceutical company would have that information and it is common for BP to report quarterly sales for specific drugs.
I don't think your friend is referring to IMS/Symphony data when he mentions a 3-month delay of pharmacy reporting. He's talking about the rest, that goes largely unreported until the company publishes sales figures. Thank you. My friend said the reports can be estimated. Her company uses IMS. I am just sharing what was told by people in the industry. Just makes no sense that 50 sales reps in almost 3 months only have 7 or so new scripts. Any thoughts? I always enjoy your posts. Thank you. I'm not sure how you come up with 7 new scripts? Each tally of NRx is a new number of scripts. They are capturing 114 per week.
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