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Post by agedhippie on Jan 11, 2017 8:15:06 GMT -5
Vials and syringes? Seriously? And rolling the insulin vial-these people are not using analogs! The problem is this looks like the stone age to diabetics and undermines the idea of inhaled insulin by association. If you are going to do this (and please do) then be realistic and use pens or pumps as the opposition. I'm no diabetic, but could there be some medical reason he is not on one of the analogs- allergic to a variant? There is always a possibility but I have never heard of it. People who are allergic tend to be allergic to the preservative and that is the same in both. A few people who still take porcine insulin because they find it makes them more hypo aware. As someone else said, it's stock footage. The person putting the segment together either decided that it looked more dramatic or didn't know what they were doing. Either way it undermines the message as people switch off.
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Post by agedhippie on Jan 11, 2017 8:16:44 GMT -5
Vials and syringes? Seriously? And rolling the insulin vial-these people are not using analogs! The problem is this looks like the stone age to diabetics and undermines the idea of inhaled insulin by association. If you are going to do this (and please do) then be realistic and use pens or pumps as the opposition. Who do you mean by "you?" This report was put together by WCBS-TV, not Mannkind, using footage of vials and syringes lifted from HealthyWomen.org (and some images from MannKind). In that context "you" meant anyone who was going to do a segment like this - in this case WCBS-TV.
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Post by agedhippie on Jan 11, 2017 8:21:59 GMT -5
Vials and syringes? Seriously? And rolling the insulin vial-these people are not using analogs! The problem is this looks like the stone age to diabetics and undermines the idea of inhaled insulin by association. If you are going to do this (and please do) then be realistic and use pens or pumps as the opposition. Good point and thinking about what you said, packaging as insulin "units" has also caused confusion. Maybe MNKD should drop trying to sell it as insulin. Maybe they shouldn't even mention the word insulin except on the ingredient list. Insulin has so many negatives associated with it and its the last alternative for doctors after everything else fails. It wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea to promote Afrezza rather than insulin. If you look what happens in the GLP-1 injectable market most people have no idea they are injecting a GLP-1, they think they are injecting Byetta or Victoza. Maybe the way forward is to play up Afrezza and play down insulin. I don't see that working in the Type 1 market but it may well do in the Type 2 market.
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Post by agedhippie on Jan 11, 2017 8:23:31 GMT -5
Vials and syringes? Seriously? And rolling the insulin vial-these people are not using analogs! The problem is this looks like the stone age to diabetics and undermines the idea of inhaled insulin by association. If you are going to do this (and please do) then be realistic and use pens or pumps as the opposition. Molly always used vials and syringes. (1cc syringes stock in the drawer.) She told me she remembered her father boiling needles. ... and re-sharpening the needles (shudder). I am glad those days are gone!
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Post by rockstarrick on Jan 11, 2017 9:47:17 GMT -5
Molly always used vials and syringes. (1cc syringes stock in the drawer.) She told me she remembered her father boiling needles. ... and re-sharpening the needles (shudder). I am glad those days are gone! OMG, that's worse than having to cut your own "switch", (that was what my parents called it) before a good o'l fashioned ass whipping. Evolution is a painful thing !
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Post by alethea on Jan 11, 2017 10:37:53 GMT -5
I'm no diabetic, but could there be some medical reason he is not on one of the analogs- allergic to a variant? There is always a possibility but I have never heard of it. People who are allergic tend to be allergic to the preservative and that is the same in both. A few people who still take porcine insulin because they find it makes them more hypo aware. As someone else said, it's stock footage. The person putting the segment together either decided that it looked more dramatic or didn't know what they were doing. Either way it undermines the message as people switch off. Some people, maybe even a lot, do in fact use bottled insulin (vials). It is vastly cheaper than Novalog or Humalog for those without insurance or those with poor insurance.
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Post by kc on Jan 11, 2017 12:01:55 GMT -5
There is always a possibility but I have never heard of it. People who are allergic tend to be allergic to the preservative and that is the same in both. A few people who still take porcine insulin because they find it makes them more hypo aware. As someone else said, it's stock footage. The person putting the segment together either decided that it looked more dramatic or didn't know what they were doing. Either way it undermines the message as people switch off. Some people, maybe even a lot, do in fact use bottled insulin (vials). It is vastly cheaper than Novalog or Humalog for those without insurance or those with poor insurance. More the reason to take the gloves off the Big Pharma Cartel who are so profited oriented that they would rather kill a basic need for a diabetic by having this monopoly on diabetes. Pricing of Afrezza needs to be address to capture market share. That will never happen if we did because of lack of sales. Its a chicken/egg situation. MannKind need to be able to invest in a great viral ad campaign to market Afrezza direct to the consumer. But they need capital to make that happen.
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Post by kc on Jan 11, 2017 13:32:14 GMT -5
My poor grammer and spell check.
More the reason to take the gloves off the Big Pharma Cartel who are so profit oriented that they would rather kill a basic need for a diabetic by having this monopoly on diabetes. Pricing of Afrezza needs to be address to capture market share. That will never happen if we die because of lack of sales. Its a chicken/egg situation. MannKind need to be able to invest in a great viral ad campaign to market Afrezza direct to the consumer. But they need capital to make that happen.
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Post by deanbain on Jan 11, 2017 13:56:15 GMT -5
Gee, why doesn't the company trying doing more of these free publicity stuff?
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Post by agedhippie on Jan 11, 2017 17:06:51 GMT -5
There is always a possibility but I have never heard of it. People who are allergic tend to be allergic to the preservative and that is the same in both. A few people who still take porcine insulin because they find it makes them more hypo aware. As someone else said, it's stock footage. The person putting the segment together either decided that it looked more dramatic or didn't know what they were doing. Either way it undermines the message as people switch off. Some people, maybe even a lot, do in fact use bottled insulin (vials). It is vastly cheaper than Novalog or Humalog for those without insurance or those with poor insurance. That would be buying Regular and NPH from Walmart (in all seriousness this is a lifesaver for some). I hate that they have to do that in a developed country. For the vast majority of diabetics on insulin the idea of vials and syringes is not something they can relate to these days.
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Post by cedafuntennis on Jan 11, 2017 18:17:05 GMT -5
Good point, but the company is slow to respond even when invited to present at major hospitals, so your question about not doing more (free) advertising is that much more meaningful. I for one am puzzled to say the least.
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Post by nylefty on Jan 11, 2017 18:22:46 GMT -5
Good point, but the company is slow to respond even when invited to present at major hospitals, so your question about not doing more (free) advertising is that much more meaningful. I for one am puzzled to say the least. Really? Major hospital s? How many and how "slow?"
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Post by mango on Jan 11, 2017 18:54:16 GMT -5
Good point, but the company is slow to respond even when invited to present at major hospitals, so your question about not doing more (free) advertising is that much more meaningful. I for one am puzzled to say the least. No offense, but who do you suppose manages the diabetics that are admitted into the hospital? IM, not Endo.
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Post by alethea on Jan 12, 2017 11:16:35 GMT -5
Some people, maybe even a lot, do in fact use bottled insulin (vials). It is vastly cheaper than Novalog or Humalog for those without insurance or those with poor insurance. That would be buying Regular and NPH from Walmart (in all seriousness this is a lifesaver for some). I hate that they have to do that in a developed country. For the vast majority of diabetics on insulin the idea of vials and syringes is not something they can relate to these days. Nonetheless there is a significant segment of the U.S. population that has or does use such insulin. You speak like a Brit. Where does your experience with U.S. health insurance administration and insurance come from?
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