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Post by bradmel on Apr 24, 2017 18:31:58 GMT -5
How many times have each of us said....."This just doesn't make any sense"?.....When it comes to some of Management's decisions. I understand when Mike originally convinced most of us here that DTC marketing had to wait until Doctors became educated and insurance coverage improved etc....but COME ON! NOT ONE COMMERCIAL and we are on the verge of BK! We are on the verge of running out of money, but they keep on hiring and hiring more employees. I know they have streamlined employees in the past supposedly .(Haken) but what benefits or results are we actually seeing for a burn rate of 10 million per month? Like others here said many times.....Matt doesn't appear to be worried about the finances needed to continue on going forward and have this company survive.
So the question I pose because I have no f-ing clue.....Is there benefits to a company....at least to those who have GOLDEN PARACHUTES to purposefully steer their company into Bankruptcy, so as to get rid of all the retail shareholders and then restructure with a new partner It seems to be me that Matt and Mike are just now finally getting all the infrastructure necessary for a successful TRUE launch of a product but not for US MNKD shareholders....for whoever acquires them and their wonderful golden parachutes. Am I mistaken? Convince me please that with the cash on hand and monthly burn rate we have enough to see this through barring EPI, RLS or any other yet to be effective partner or product. So go back and listen to Matt on the past recent CC's....does he appear concerned or as concerned as he should be given his companies current state of affairs?
I will tell you I have been invested since 2009 and I have put everything in this like many of you, because I believed in the science and the platform and maybe it's my fault for also believing in Matt's ...."Epic Turnaround" and RLS having what??? ....."a nice pedigree" and "deep pockets"......RIGHT.
Posters talk about the "TALK" behind the scenes and we want to believe it's something positive and about to turn this company around.....but the way this has all been going down...pun intended, I am starting to think the talk if it is going on, behind the scenes with all the big players is POST BK Strategy and not PRE and it is not in our best interests.....only theirs and their pockets!
Sorry for the tirade, I am usually very positive and quiet but this is a tragedy for us shareholders and especially and more importantly for PWD and their families!
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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 24, 2017 20:07:00 GMT -5
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Post by fanz8967 on Apr 24, 2017 20:25:59 GMT -5
How many times have each of us said....."This just doesn't make any sense"?.....When it comes to some of Management's decisions. I understand when Mike originally convinced most of us here that DTC marketing had to wait until Doctors became educated and insurance coverage improved etc....but COME ON! NOT ONE COMMERCIAL and we are on the verge of BK! We are on the verge of running out of money, but they keep on hiring and hiring more employees. I know they have streamlined employees in the past supposedly .(Haken) but what benefits or results are we actually seeing for a burn rate of 10 million per month? Like others here said many times.....Matt doesn't appear to be worried about the finances needed to continue on going forward and have this company survive.
So the question I pose because I have no f-ing clue.....Is there benefits to a company....at least to those who have GOLDEN PARACHUTES to purposefully steer their company into Bankruptcy, so as to get rid of all the retail shareholders and then restructure with a new partner It seems to be me that Matt and Mike are just now finally getting all the infrastructure necessary for a successful TRUE launch of a product but not for US MNKD shareholders....for whoever acquires them and their wonderful golden parachutes. Am I mistaken? Convince me please that with the cash on hand and monthly burn rate we have enough to see this through barring EPI, RLS or any other yet to be effective partner or product. So go back and listen to Matt on the past recent CC's....does he appear concerned or as concerned as he should be given his companies current state of affairs?
I will tell you I have been invested since 2009 and I have put everything in this like many of you, because I believed in the science and the platform and maybe it's my fault for also believing in Matt's ...."Epic Turnaround" and RLS having what??? ....."a nice pedigree" and "deep pockets"......RIGHT.
Posters talk about the "TALK" behind the scenes and we want to believe it's something positive and about to turn this company around.....but the way this has all been going down...pun intended, I am starting to think the talk if it is going on, behind the scenes with all the big players is POST BK Strategy and not PRE and it is not in our best interests.....only theirs and their pockets!
Sorry for the tirade, I am usually very positive and quiet but this is a tragedy for us shareholders and especially and more importantly for PWD and their families!
A lot of people are starting to say that they think that Matt is a cheat and that he is intentionally holding back on advertising to tank the company so that either it can be taken private for cheap or picked up in bankruptcy for near nothing. Wouldn't it be illegal for him not to do whats in the best interest of the shareholders? Couldn't we all get a lawyer and put him in jail if he is defrauding us? I'm not sure that I believe that he is doing this, but everyone keeps saying that we should have seen money from RLS by now and that the international partner deal should be done, and the scripts are only low, because they have not aired a TV commercial and don't have enough reps. If it turns out that this all ends up to be true, couldn't we all work together to put him behind bars? There are so many theories here, I don't know.
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Post by rockstarrick on Apr 24, 2017 20:36:43 GMT -5
How many times have each of us said....."This just doesn't make any sense"?.....When it comes to some of Management's decisions. I understand when Mike originally convinced most of us here that DTC marketing had to wait until Doctors became educated and insurance coverage improved etc....but COME ON! NOT ONE COMMERCIAL and we are on the verge of BK! We are on the verge of running out of money, but they keep on hiring and hiring more employees. I know they have streamlined employees in the past supposedly .(Haken) but what benefits or results are we actually seeing for a burn rate of 10 million per month? Like others here said many times.....Matt doesn't appear to be worried about the finances needed to continue on going forward and have this company survive.
So the question I pose because I have no f-ing clue.....Is there benefits to a company....at least to those who have GOLDEN PARACHUTES to purposefully steer their company into Bankruptcy, so as to get rid of all the retail shareholders and then restructure with a new partner It seems to be me that Matt and Mike are just now finally getting all the infrastructure necessary for a successful TRUE launch of a product but not for US MNKD shareholders....for whoever acquires them and their wonderful golden parachutes. Am I mistaken? Convince me please that with the cash on hand and monthly burn rate we have enough to see this through barring EPI, RLS or any other yet to be effective partner or product. So go back and listen to Matt on the past recent CC's....does he appear concerned or as concerned as he should be given his companies current state of affairs?
I will tell you I have been invested since 2009 and I have put everything in this like many of you, because I believed in the science and the platform and maybe it's my fault for also believing in Matt's ...."Epic Turnaround" and RLS having what??? ....."a nice pedigree" and "deep pockets"......RIGHT.
Posters talk about the "TALK" behind the scenes and we want to believe it's something positive and about to turn this company around.....but the way this has all been going down...pun intended, I am starting to think the talk if it is going on, behind the scenes with all the big players is POST BK Strategy and not PRE and it is not in our best interests.....only theirs and their pockets!
Sorry for the tirade, I am usually very positive and quiet but this is a tragedy for us shareholders and especially and more importantly for PWD and their families!
Scroll down and look at who else would be getting what ever it is you are worrying about. The shares that these Institutions own are no different than yours, right ?? data.cnbc.com/quotes/MNKD/tab/8
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Post by rockstarrick on Apr 24, 2017 20:39:17 GMT -5
How many times have each of us said....."This just doesn't make any sense"?.....When it comes to some of Management's decisions. I understand when Mike originally convinced most of us here that DTC marketing had to wait until Doctors became educated and insurance coverage improved etc....but COME ON! NOT ONE COMMERCIAL and we are on the verge of BK! We are on the verge of running out of money, but they keep on hiring and hiring more employees. I know they have streamlined employees in the past supposedly .(Haken) but what benefits or results are we actually seeing for a burn rate of 10 million per month? Like others here said many times.....Matt doesn't appear to be worried about the finances needed to continue on going forward and have this company survive.
So the question I pose because I have no f-ing clue.....Is there benefits to a company....at least to those who have GOLDEN PARACHUTES to purposefully steer their company into Bankruptcy, so as to get rid of all the retail shareholders and then restructure with a new partner It seems to be me that Matt and Mike are just now finally getting all the infrastructure necessary for a successful TRUE launch of a product but not for US MNKD shareholders....for whoever acquires them and their wonderful golden parachutes. Am I mistaken? Convince me please that with the cash on hand and monthly burn rate we have enough to see this through barring EPI, RLS or any other yet to be effective partner or product. So go back and listen to Matt on the past recent CC's....does he appear concerned or as concerned as he should be given his companies current state of affairs?
I will tell you I have been invested since 2009 and I have put everything in this like many of you, because I believed in the science and the platform and maybe it's my fault for also believing in Matt's ...."Epic Turnaround" and RLS having what??? ....."a nice pedigree" and "deep pockets"......RIGHT.
Posters talk about the "TALK" behind the scenes and we want to believe it's something positive and about to turn this company around.....but the way this has all been going down...pun intended, I am starting to think the talk if it is going on, behind the scenes with all the big players is POST BK Strategy and not PRE and it is not in our best interests.....only theirs and their pockets!
Sorry for the tirade, I am usually very positive and quiet but this is a tragedy for us shareholders and especially and more importantly for PWD and their families!
Scroll down and look at who else would be getting what ever it is you are worrying about. The shares that these Institutions own are no different than yours, right ?? data.cnbc.com/quotes/MNKD/tab/8Also, this is a very up to date representation of our Institutional Owners as it Includes Deerfield 5.2 million shares. fyi
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Post by kc on Apr 24, 2017 20:54:58 GMT -5
How many times have each of us said....."This just doesn't make any sense"?.....When it comes to some of Management's decisions. I understand when Mike originally convinced most of us here that DTC marketing had to wait until Doctors became educated and insurance coverage improved etc....but COME ON! NOT ONE COMMERCIAL and we are on the verge of BK! We are on the verge of running out of money, but they keep on hiring and hiring more employees. I know they have streamlined employees in the past supposedly .(Haken) but what benefits or results are we actually seeing for a burn rate of 10 million per month? Like others here said many times.....Matt doesn't appear to be worried about the finances needed to continue on going forward and have this company survive.
So the question I pose because I have no f-ing clue.....Is there benefits to a company....at least to those who have GOLDEN PARACHUTES to purposefully steer their company into Bankruptcy, so as to get rid of all the retail shareholders and then restructure with a new partner It seems to be me that Matt and Mike are just now finally getting all the infrastructure necessary for a successful TRUE launch of a product but not for US MNKD shareholders....for whoever acquires them and their wonderful golden parachutes. Am I mistaken? Convince me please that with the cash on hand and monthly burn rate we have enough to see this through barring EPI, RLS or any other yet to be effective partner or product. So go back and listen to Matt on the past recent CC's....does he appear concerned or as concerned as he should be given his companies current state of affairs?
I will tell you I have been invested since 2009 and I have put everything in this like many of you, because I believed in the science and the platform and maybe it's my fault for also believing in Matt's ...."Epic Turnaround" and RLS having what??? ....."a nice pedigree" and "deep pockets"......RIGHT.
Posters talk about the "TALK" behind the scenes and we want to believe it's something positive and about to turn this company around.....but the way this has all been going down...pun intended, I am starting to think the talk if it is going on, behind the scenes with all the big players is POST BK Strategy and not PRE and it is not in our best interests.....only theirs and their pockets!
Sorry for the tirade, I am usually very positive and quiet but this is a tragedy for us shareholders and especially and more importantly for PWD and their families!
Scroll down and look at who else would be getting what ever it is you are worrying about. The shares that these Institutions own are no different than yours, right ?? data.cnbc.com/quotes/MNKD/tab/8Rick the sad think is that we hardly have any institutional investors. Most public companies have about 75% of their shares held by Institutional investors. MannKind is between 15%and 21% based on NASDAQ reporting. At its prime it was about 27%. So the company is all about the retail shareholder. That itself is troubling. Should have been a red flag to all of us. That being said they Can't really take it private without a tender offer to do so and that might then bring out an activist buyer or company if they see it being too cheap. The company once Afrezza takes off has tremoundous worldwide sales appeal. But it first has to survive. So lets say management or somebody makes an offer to take the company private they still have to estingish the existing debt. Let's hope that the board is giving consideration to engaging a Investment Banker and putting the company up for sale. 19.29% institutional holders www.nasdaq.com/symbol/mnkd/institutional-holdings
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Apr 24, 2017 21:09:02 GMT -5
How many times have each of us said....."This just doesn't make any sense"?.....When it comes to some of Management's decisions. I understand when Mike originally convinced most of us here that DTC marketing had to wait until Doctors became educated and insurance coverage improved etc....but COME ON! NOT ONE COMMERCIAL and we are on the verge of BK! We are on the verge of running out of money, but they keep on hiring and hiring more employees. I know they have streamlined employees in the past supposedly .(Haken) but what benefits or results are we actually seeing for a burn rate of 10 million per month? Like others here said many times.....Matt doesn't appear to be worried about the finances needed to continue on going forward and have this company survive.
So the question I pose because I have no f-ing clue.....Is there benefits to a company....at least to those who have GOLDEN PARACHUTES to purposefully steer their company into Bankruptcy, so as to get rid of all the retail shareholders and then restructure with a new partner It seems to be me that Matt and Mike are just now finally getting all the infrastructure necessary for a successful TRUE launch of a product but not for US MNKD shareholders....for whoever acquires them and their wonderful golden parachutes. Am I mistaken? Convince me please that with the cash on hand and monthly burn rate we have enough to see this through barring EPI, RLS or any other yet to be effective partner or product. So go back and listen to Matt on the past recent CC's....does he appear concerned or as concerned as he should be given his companies current state of affairs?
I will tell you I have been invested since 2009 and I have put everything in this like many of you, because I believed in the science and the platform and maybe it's my fault for also believing in Matt's ...."Epic Turnaround" and RLS having what??? ....."a nice pedigree" and "deep pockets"......RIGHT.
Posters talk about the "TALK" behind the scenes and we want to believe it's something positive and about to turn this company around.....but the way this has all been going down...pun intended, I am starting to think the talk if it is going on, behind the scenes with all the big players is POST BK Strategy and not PRE and it is not in our best interests.....only theirs and their pockets!
Sorry for the tirade, I am usually very positive and quiet but this is a tragedy for us shareholders and especially and more importantly for PWD and their families!
Scroll down and look at who else would be getting what ever it is you are worrying about. The shares that these Institutions own are no different than yours, right ?? data.cnbc.com/quotes/MNKD/tab/8Yes, their equity is treated the same. Most all of that is likely in the form of indexed ETFs where they own all shares in the market. MNKD would represent a tiny slice of a drop in a bucket of those ETFs, and that is simply part of owning index funds... when companies go bankrupt the index and the fund reflect it. Here is link to a company that recently filed for bankruptcy showing all the institutional holders, likely including all of the ones that hold MNKD plus more. Every company that is on the NASDAQ would be held by these companies in ETFs. That never prevents companies from going bankrupt, hostile takeovers by creditors, or shady business by management to take a company private. (I believe management is too ethical to be involved in something shady, but I wouldn't rule out Deerfield having designs on getting all or most of Mannkind for themselves) www.nasdaq.com/symbol/hgggq/institutional-holdings
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Post by kuka on Apr 24, 2017 21:12:22 GMT -5
the level of FUD has increased exponentially .... its every where ......LONGS know the value of this company. We also know Matt P. is doing a great job despite the millions spend on trying to kill MNKD.
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Apr 24, 2017 21:20:47 GMT -5
the level of FUD has increased exponentially .... its every where ......LONGS know the value of this company. We also know Matt P. is doing a great job despite the millions spend on trying to kill MNKD. What exactly is the "millions spent on trying to kill MNKD"?
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Post by uvula on Apr 24, 2017 21:28:57 GMT -5
FUD is when people make up or exaggerate bad stuff to scare investors.
It isn't FUD when it is factual and accurate. We are in a bad spot. I hope things turn around but at this point it would need to be a bigger stock explosion than Apple or Amazon in order for most if us to break even.
Reality sucks.
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Post by buyitonsale on Apr 24, 2017 21:29:58 GMT -5
Scroll down and look at who else would be getting what ever it is you are worrying about. The shares that these Institutions own are no different than yours, right ?? data.cnbc.com/quotes/MNKD/tab/8Also, this is a very up to date representation of our Institutional Owners as it Includes Deerfield 5.2 million shares. fyi What's wrong with the Position Value? It does not correspond to current SP...
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Apr 24, 2017 21:34:21 GMT -5
How many times have each of us said....."This just doesn't make any sense"?.....When it comes to some of Management's decisions. I understand when Mike originally convinced most of us here that DTC marketing had to wait until Doctors became educated and insurance coverage improved etc....but COME ON! NOT ONE COMMERCIAL and we are on the verge of BK! We are on the verge of running out of money, but they keep on hiring and hiring more employees. I know they have streamlined employees in the past supposedly .(Haken) but what benefits or results are we actually seeing for a burn rate of 10 million per month? Like others here said many times.....Matt doesn't appear to be worried about the finances needed to continue on going forward and have this company survive.
So the question I pose because I have no f-ing clue.....Is there benefits to a company....at least to those who have GOLDEN PARACHUTES to purposefully steer their company into Bankruptcy, so as to get rid of all the retail shareholders and then restructure with a new partner It seems to be me that Matt and Mike are just now finally getting all the infrastructure necessary for a successful TRUE launch of a product but not for US MNKD shareholders....for whoever acquires them and their wonderful golden parachutes. Am I mistaken? Convince me please that with the cash on hand and monthly burn rate we have enough to see this through barring EPI, RLS or any other yet to be effective partner or product. So go back and listen to Matt on the past recent CC's....does he appear concerned or as concerned as he should be given his companies current state of affairs?
I will tell you I have been invested since 2009 and I have put everything in this like many of you, because I believed in the science and the platform and maybe it's my fault for also believing in Matt's ...."Epic Turnaround" and RLS having what??? ....."a nice pedigree" and "deep pockets"......RIGHT.
Posters talk about the "TALK" behind the scenes and we want to believe it's something positive and about to turn this company around.....but the way this has all been going down...pun intended, I am starting to think the talk if it is going on, behind the scenes with all the big players is POST BK Strategy and not PRE and it is not in our best interests.....only theirs and their pockets!
Sorry for the tirade, I am usually very positive and quiet but this is a tragedy for us shareholders and especially and more importantly for PWD and their families!
A lot of people are starting to say that they think that Matt is a cheat and that he is intentionally holding back on advertising to tank the company so that either it can be taken private for cheap or picked up in bankruptcy for near nothing. Wouldn't it be illegal for him not to do whats in the best interest of the shareholders? Couldn't we all get a lawyer and put him in jail if he is defrauding us? I'm not sure that I believe that he is doing this, but everyone keeps saying that we should have seen money from RLS by now and that the international partner deal should be done, and the scripts are only low, because they have not aired a TV commercial and don't have enough reps. If it turns out that this all ends up to be true, couldn't we all work together to put him behind bars? There are so many theories here, I don't know. No one is saying that on this board are they?
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Post by rockstarrick on Apr 24, 2017 22:34:39 GMT -5
Scroll down and look at who else would be getting what ever it is you are worrying about. The shares that these Institutions own are no different than yours, right ?? data.cnbc.com/quotes/MNKD/tab/8Rick the sad think is that we hardly have any institutional investors. Most public companies have about 75% of their shares held by Institutional investors. MannKind is between 15%and 21% based on NASDAQ reporting. At its prime it was about 27%. So the company is all about the retail shareholder. That itself is troubling. Should have been a red flag to all of us. That being said they Can't really take it private without a tender offer to do so and that might then bring out an activist buyer or company if they see it being too cheap. The company once Afrezza takes off has tremoundous worldwide sales appeal. But it first has to survive. So lets say management or somebody makes an offer to take the company private they still have to estingish the existing debt. Let's hope that the board is giving consideration to engaging a Investment Banker and putting the company up for sale. 19.29% institutional holders www.nasdaq.com/symbol/mnkd/institutional-holdingsAccording to this link 95.8 million outstanding shares 46.2 million owned by Institutions add them up 48.2% right ??
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Post by rockstarrick on Apr 24, 2017 22:44:15 GMT -5
Rick the sad think is that we hardly have any institutional investors. Most public companies have about 75% of their shares held by Institutional investors. MannKind is between 15%and 21% based on NASDAQ reporting. At its prime it was about 27%. So the company is all about the retail shareholder. That itself is troubling. Should have been a red flag to all of us. That being said they Can't really take it private without a tender offer to do so and that might then bring out an activist buyer or company if they see it being too cheap. The company once Afrezza takes off has tremoundous worldwide sales appeal. But it first has to survive. So lets say management or somebody makes an offer to take the company private they still have to estingish the existing debt. Let's hope that the board is giving consideration to engaging a Investment Banker and putting the company up for sale. 19.29% institutional holders www.nasdaq.com/symbol/mnkd/institutional-holdingsAccording to this link 95.8 million outstanding shares 46.2 million owned by Institutions add them up 48.2% right ?? I can spot over 27 million shares not listed @ Nasdaq instantly AL Mann 22.1 million Deerfield 5.2 million Nasdaq lists 18 million total lol
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Apr 24, 2017 22:46:37 GMT -5
Rick the sad think is that we hardly have any institutional investors. Most public companies have about 75% of their shares held by Institutional investors. MannKind is between 15%and 21% based on NASDAQ reporting. At its prime it was about 27%. So the company is all about the retail shareholder. That itself is troubling. Should have been a red flag to all of us. That being said they Can't really take it private without a tender offer to do so and that might then bring out an activist buyer or company if they see it being too cheap. The company once Afrezza takes off has tremoundous worldwide sales appeal. But it first has to survive. So lets say management or somebody makes an offer to take the company private they still have to estingish the existing debt. Let's hope that the board is giving consideration to engaging a Investment Banker and putting the company up for sale. 19.29% institutional holders www.nasdaq.com/symbol/mnkd/institutional-holdingsAccording to this link 95.8 million outstanding shares 46.2 million owned by Institutions add them up 48.2% right ?? NASDAQ says 177 Institutional Holders 18,471,435 Total Shares Held Are you saying their addition is incorrect?
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