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Post by mnkdfann on Jun 16, 2017 11:46:59 GMT -5
For the purposes of improving street cred and popular awareness, Afrezza having a Doctor of Hip Hop as a representative might help.
The cynic in me doubts it will have much of a positive effect on the opinions of physicians being asked to prescribe it.
I'm also wondering:
"Hip Hop Mogul Damon Dash has been approached by Mannkind to be the official diabadass spokesperson for Afrezza."
Been approached is different, though not inconsistent, with the headline saying he WAS appointed. But I'd still like to see some clarification from Mannkind about this, what the 'official' bit really means. For instance, is he now on salary?
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Post by agedhippie on Jun 16, 2017 11:55:39 GMT -5
At least was Dr Phil was a board certified physician (1979 to 2006). Just sayin'. He is not / was not a board certified physician; rather - was a licensed psychologist (no longer licensed). Big difference. I stand corrected. At least he has a relevant PhD and was a practicing psychologist once before he went into entertainment.
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Post by kuka on Jun 17, 2017 6:23:25 GMT -5
I have been a Gangsta Rap fan since the early 90s and never heard of Damon Dash ...his early videos about afrezza were unintelligible but was very impressed with him at the ASM. Hopefully we can get another celeb with wider appeal. But for now ....I am supporting Doctor Poppington or what ever he calls himself. Wonder if AMGEN will keep him or get someone more well known? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Tinkerbell on Jun 17, 2017 10:24:30 GMT -5
Let's be clear - Endocrinologists possess a Medical Degree and can prescribe treatments and medicines. It is their responsibility to manage their patients health to the best of their ability. It is how they earn their living and I will never argue that fact.
Regarding namesakes however, Dr. Scholls sells shoes, sandals and inserts. Is it possible that we can become better educated on our feet and try some less expensive approaches to dealing with any discomfort before paying $300 to visit a podiatrist and then another $800 for orthotics? Sure we can and why not?
Likewise, of the many chronic ailments that affect the endocrine system, diabetes (pre, Type 1, Type 2) does NOT require a rocket scientist's degree to understand. Freedom of information provides a lot of opportunity to learn about any number of topics without attending a university. People who share diabetes in common have rights to express their opinions about it, their experience and treatments. And yes, they can call themselves what they wish within that community.
For example, if Damon Dash were to call himself Maestro Damon Dash, I doubt he'd be allowed to conduct the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra a la Riccardo Chailly. That said, Dr. Dash will be a very effective moniker for him to advocate for African Americans (who suffer this disease more than any other group of people in this country). Dr. Dash has even got the inhalation of Afrezza down to a fine art such that he doesn't need to take a 10 second toke on the dreamboat pipe. If how he inhales works for him-fine. Each patient will find his/her own way to ensure it's effectively inhaled such that it controls their blood sugar as it should.
So - you GO Dr. Dash! Help as many PWD as you can. No one will fault you for trying to bring awareness to PWD about a new revolutionary insulin that should be included in their armamentarium of potential treatment that won't shut down their kidneys or cause any number of infections. You will do something good for so many people and ensure Al Mann's legacy remains intact. He was the one who made it possible for you to become Afrezza's spokesperson. We won't forget.
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Post by peppy on Jun 17, 2017 10:52:10 GMT -5
Let's be clear - Endocrinologists possess a Medical Degree and can prescribe treatments and medicines. It is their responsibility to manage their patients health to the best of their ability. It is how they earn their living and I will never argue that fact. Regarding namesakes however, Dr. Scholls sells shoes, sandals and inserts. Is it possible that we can become better educated on our feet and try some less expensive approaches to dealing with any discomfort before paying $300 to visit a podiatrist and then another $800 for orthotics? Sure we can and why not? Likewise, of the many chronic ailments that affect the endocrine system, diabetes (pre, Type 1, Type 2) does NOT require a rocket scientist's degree to understand. Freedom of information provides a lot of opportunity to learn about any number of topics without attending a university. People who share diabetes in common have rights to express their opinions about it, their experience and treatments. And yes, they can call themselves what they wish within that community. For example, if Damon Dash were to call himself Maestro Damon Dash, I doubt he'd be allowed to conduct the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra a la Riccardo Chailly. That said, Dr. Dash will be a very effective moniker for him to advocate for African Americans (who suffer this disease more than any other group of people in this country). Dr. Dash has even got the inhalation of Afrezza down to a fine art such that he doesn't need to take a 10 second toke on the dreamboat pipe. If how he inhales works for him-fine. Each patient will find his/her own way to ensure it's effectively inhaled such that it controls their blood sugar as it should. So - you GO Dr. Dash! Help as many PWD as you can. No one will fault you for trying to bring awareness to PWD about a new revolutionary insulin that should be included in their armamentarium of potential treatment that won't shut down their kidneys or cause any number of infections. You will do something good for so many people and ensure Al Mann's legacy remains intact. He was the one who made it possible for you to become Afrezza's spokesperson. We won't forget. I agree with what you said, let's look at the first statement: Endocrinologists possess a Medical Degree and can prescribe treatments and medicines. It is their responsibility to manage their patients health to the best of their ability.
Reply: "let's be clear," has the system been subverted? This is pretty easy to understand. Pricing in the insulin market is headed south, due mainly to competition for the PBM market. PBMs don't make their money on discounts; they make the money on rebates which are paid at the end of the year. The way pharma companies get the PBMs to enforce formulary restrictions is by promising big rebates tied to market share figures; miss the market share target percentage for the preferred brand and the rebate takes a major hit.
When Lantus was the only game in town, Sanofi did not have to play nice with the PBMs. Now that there are biosimilars, Lilly and Novo can enforce their sole source formulary placement much more effectively, and this has killed Sanofi's diabetes business. By adding new insulin options to the Sanofi product line, they can play a bit of catch-up and try to recapture lost market share.
It is also the reason Afrezza will never make much of a dent in the PBM sector unless it becomes a widely prescribed product. With the way the rebates work, each fill of Afrezza hurts the PBM because it makes it that much harder to hit the necessary market share percentage to get the maximum rebate. Even if Mannkind priced Afrezza at $0, it still might be in the economic interest of the PBM to fill with the preferred brand rather than Afrezza. The rebate formulas are designed to achieve this precise result and there is a LOT of money on the table for the PBM.
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Post by agedhippie on Jun 17, 2017 15:24:53 GMT -5
It is also the reason Afrezza will never make much of a dent in the PBM sector unless it becomes a widely prescribed product. With the way the rebates work, each fill of Afrezza hurts the PBM because it makes it that much harder to hit the necessary market share percentage to get the maximum rebate. Even if Mannkind priced Afrezza at $0, it still might be in the economic interest of the PBM to fill with the preferred brand rather than Afrezza. The rebate formulas are designed to achieve this precise result and there is a LOT of money on the table for the PBM.
The pharmas can also cross-subsidize. For every target you hit on insulin we will also give the PBM a bigger rebate on the new hot drug. This is why I don't believe big pharma is bothering to short Mannkind - it's far simpler just to price them out of the market. I'm not saying there is not manipulation, it's a microcap and that goes with the territory, but I don't see pharmas as a player - it's an unnecessary risk for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 17:32:17 GMT -5
Let's be clear - Endocrinologists possess a Medical Degree and can prescribe treatments and medicines. It is their responsibility to manage their patients health to the best of their ability. It is how they earn their living and I will never argue that fact. Regarding namesakes however, Dr. Scholls sells shoes, sandals and inserts. Is it possible that we can become better educated on our feet and try some less expensive approaches to dealing with any discomfort before paying $300 to visit a podiatrist and then another $800 for orthotics? Sure we can and why not? Likewise, of the many chronic ailments that affect the endocrine system, diabetes (pre, Type 1, Type 2) does NOT require a rocket scientist's degree to understand. Freedom of information provides a lot of opportunity to learn about any number of topics without attending a university. People who share diabetes in common have rights to express their opinions about it, their experience and treatments. And yes, they can call themselves what they wish within that community. For example, if Damon Dash were to call himself Maestro Damon Dash, I doubt he'd be allowed to conduct the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra a la Riccardo Chailly. That said, Dr. Dash will be a very effective moniker for him to advocate for African Americans (who suffer this disease more than any other group of people in this country). Dr. Dash has even got the inhalation of Afrezza down to a fine art such that he doesn't need to take a 10 second toke on the dreamboat pipe. If how he inhales works for him-fine. Each patient will find his/her own way to ensure it's effectively inhaled such that it controls their blood sugar as it should. So - you GO Dr. Dash! Help as many PWD as you can. No one will fault you for trying to bring awareness to PWD about a new revolutionary insulin that should be included in their armamentarium of potential treatment that won't shut down their kidneys or cause any number of infections. You will do something good for so many people and ensure Al Mann's legacy remains intact. He was the one who made it possible for you to become Afrezza's spokesperson. We won't forget. Amen to that. What's not to love about this?
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Post by mnkdfann on Jun 17, 2017 17:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by hillsave on Jun 17, 2017 18:11:31 GMT -5
Let's be clear - Endocrinologists possess a Medical Degree and can prescribe treatments and medicines. It is their responsibility to manage their patients health to the best of their ability. It is how they earn their living and I will never argue that fact. Regarding namesakes however, Dr. Scholls sells shoes, sandals and inserts. Is it possible that we can become better educated on our feet and try some less expensive approaches to dealing with any discomfort before paying $300 to visit a podiatrist and then another $800 for orthotics? Sure we can and why not? Likewise, of the many chronic ailments that affect the endocrine system, diabetes (pre, Type 1, Type 2) does NOT require a rocket scientist's degree to understand. Freedom of information provides a lot of opportunity to learn about any number of topics without attending a university. People who share diabetes in common have rights to express their opinions about it, their experience and treatments. And yes, they can call themselves what they wish within that community. For example, if Damon Dash were to call himself Maestro Damon Dash, I doubt he'd be allowed to conduct the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra a la Riccardo Chailly. That said, Dr. Dash will be a very effective moniker for him to advocate for African Americans (who suffer this disease more than any other group of people in this country). Dr. Dash has even got the inhalation of Afrezza down to a fine art such that he doesn't need to take a 10 second toke on the dreamboat pipe. If how he inhales works for him-fine. Each patient will find his/her own way to ensure it's effectively inhaled such that it controls their blood sugar as it should. So - you GO Dr. Dash! Help as many PWD as you can. No one will fault you for trying to bring awareness to PWD about a new revolutionary insulin that should be included in their armamentarium of potential treatment that won't shut down their kidneys or cause any number of infections. You will do something good for so many people and ensure Al Mann's legacy remains intact. He was the one who made it possible for you to become Afrezza's spokesperson. We won't forget. Amen to that. What's not to love about this? Damon you are Music for Mannkind.
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Post by peppy on Jun 17, 2017 19:25:18 GMT -5
I occurs to me, there was another time the board started talking about things and they disappeared. case in point, www.screencast.com/t/oeKlehLaEB
other things that disappeared after we talked about them, RLS stuff.
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Post by mango on Jun 17, 2017 22:08:44 GMT -5
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Post by mnkdfann on Jun 17, 2017 23:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by lakon on Jun 18, 2017 3:22:05 GMT -5
The page in question appears to have been taken down. Perhaps Dash was misinterpreted so it was pulled. I could see him posting something like this because he was invited and attended the ASM, as in saying, "See, he was at the ASM. It's official now." Meaning he's not making this stuff up, but he's really involved. People may have taken that as an endorsement or business relationship between Dash and MNKD, but he never said that AFAIK. What's a "diabadass" anyway? Kind of like what's "Outsulin"? Right? If you make up words, it's hard for the courts to argue the point is anything BUT FREE SPEECH and PROTECTED... If we are talking about gamesmanship with geniuses, it's GAME ON, and somebody picked a battle of wits with the wrong folks.
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Post by sweedee79 on Jun 18, 2017 4:34:19 GMT -5
In one release it says "hip hop mogul" on the second he's the host and claims to be a doctor. His title is "Dr. Damon Dash". If he's not a real doctor (and I don't think he is), I have a REAL problem with this. This is not how you get credibility for Afrezza... Sorry to be negative, but fake doctors piss me off. I had a nice discussion with Damon at the ASM. He is a doctor of "hip hop". Now I have a real problem with medical doctors who continue to treat diabetics as if it were still a black art. They are worse than fake. They are slowly killing people. Finally at ADA 77 the page was turned on A1c and now the focus is time in range. What ever Damon can do to tell the world about afrezza I am all for it. I would even volunteer to drive him around. Between this and Edelman's interview maybe things are finally turning. July's ADA time in range meeting should be interesting. I AGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH!!! Ill go with Damon any day... way better than what my dad and I have had to put up with ... Medical profession has really disappointed me in how they basicly SNUB Afrezza ..
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Post by lakon on Jun 18, 2017 10:29:23 GMT -5
I would like to point out that Al Mann was not a Medical Doctor, and he never completed his PhD. Yet, he was often the smartest man in the room, and he did more for diabetics, and most people for that matter, than most anyone else can claim, perhaps and forgive me, with the exception of Jesus Christ, if you believe.
Here are a few major accomplishments by Al Mann and his teams.
Satellites Advanced Aviation and Space Technologies Advanced Battery Technology Pacemakers Insulin Pumps CGM Helping the lame walk. Helping the deaf hear. Helping the blind see. Technosphere Afrezza - stable monomeric human insulin
BTW, he also served his country with honor while a minor. He was a Veteran.
I wish someday, someone could say as much about me. Those who talk smack about him need a smack-down, and I believe it is coming.
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