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Post by sportsrancho on Aug 2, 2017 13:29:40 GMT -5
Though interesting they aren't actually doing a licensing or franchise model but rather merely acting as consultants. What that might mean regarding their current level of financial success is open for speculation. I would assume anyone looking to replicate the model with their help would inquire about their level, or lack, of profitability. [apparently I've become the resident skeptic] I don't think they ever wanted to franchise. But there is interest. Like my client Tom with the kids on Afrezza. He would love to open one up. Has talked about it for years. I would love to work for him. So we'll see.
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Post by goyocafe on Aug 2, 2017 13:36:14 GMT -5
Though interesting they aren't actually doing a licensing or franchise model but rather merely acting as consultants. What that might mean regarding their current level of financial success is open for speculation. I would assume anyone looking to replicate the model with their help would inquire about their level, or lack, of profitability. [apparently I've become the resident skeptic] I don't think they ever wanted to franchise. But there is interest. Like my client Tom with the kids on Afrezza. He would love to open one up. Has talked about it for years. I would love to work for him. So we'll see. I'd like to see the business model that is being used to support the concept, especially with the possibility of having to foot the bill for a physician (if the clinic owner isn't one).
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Aug 2, 2017 13:50:51 GMT -5
Though interesting they aren't actually doing a licensing or franchise model but rather merely acting as consultants. What that might mean regarding their current level of financial success is open for speculation. I would assume anyone looking to replicate the model with their help would inquire about their level, or lack, of profitability. [apparently I've become the resident skeptic] I don't think they ever wanted to franchise. But there is interest. Like my client Tom with the kids on Afrezza. He would love to open one up. Has talked about it for years. I would love to work for him. So we'll see. I'd invest in one if I saw that commitment and hard work could lead to financial success... and I'd certainly hope that would be the case. However, with current system of health insurance, is it? While they may well not have planned to franchise, they apparently were planning to expand. If they were going gangbusters it seems they would focus on their own expansion rather than enabling others to replicate what they have. That's why I'm suspecting they are trying to drum up consulting revenue to help plug fiscal hole while they grow their own practice... pure guess on my part. It never hurts to at least ask the question "why" when something new pops up. I certainly wish them great success.
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Post by agedhippie on Aug 2, 2017 15:30:36 GMT -5
Though interesting they aren't actually doing a licensing or franchise model but rather merely acting as consultants. What that might mean regarding their current level of financial success is open for speculation. I would assume anyone looking to replicate the model with their help would inquire about their level, or lack, of profitability. [apparently I've become the resident skeptic] Resident skeptic? That's a large residence hall in which you're living, DBC! And comfortable too. I like it here.
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Post by twibs66 on Aug 2, 2017 15:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Aug 2, 2017 15:42:08 GMT -5
Write to the email at the end of the PR and ask if that is true.
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Post by agedhippie on Aug 2, 2017 15:44:56 GMT -5
You are wrong - it's really easy to argue that RAA do not present a long term cancer risk and arguing otherwise is what might be called psuedo-science (or less politely, alarmist claptrap). Both the leading RAA insulins have been out for over 20 years and are used by huge numbers. If there was even a remote chance of them causing cancer it would be glaringly obvious. It not me saying they are showing issues. Its a number of European researchers who are working the issue. Maybe they are wrong. So we will see but how many people even know they are injecting a Frankenstein insulin? Regardless Novalog was not approved in Europe until 07/09/1999 and in the U.S. until 2000 so it has been on the market less than 20 years. But who cares, if afrezza does what VDex says why would anyone want to continue taking the RAA or ever start using an RAA? It seems like a no-brainer. The thing is VDex is saying nothing more than what Al Mann was saying and Al usually knew what he was talking about. I would be interested in knowing who in Europe is working the RAA and cancer line because all I have seen is the Lantus scare that got shot down. Ok lets make that 17 rather than 20 years for Novolog (Humalog was introduced 21 years ago). Same argument still applies, over that period and with huge numbers of users there should still be very obvious and it isn't. Quite simply there is no evidence.
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Post by sayhey24 on Aug 2, 2017 16:39:25 GMT -5
Aged - I think what we can agree on is PWDs have a higher rate of cancer. I think what we can also agree on based on the VDex study is afrezza has obsoleted ALL RAAs and ALL T2 meds. So, does it matter if the Invokana's and Januvia, Janumet, Byetta and Victoza's and all the rest have issues, not any more. They have been obsoleted. The same with the RAAs. They have been obsoleted. Now its just a matter of time until the word gets out.
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Post by peppy on Aug 2, 2017 18:35:05 GMT -5
The dosing part of the study. dosing: www.seventhform.com/vdexdownloads/vdex-whitepaper-072817.pdf page 22. Comments Afrezza’s speed of action is both a blessing and a curse. Clearly, it is a large factor in the safety of the product, but for longer meals, you may need more Afrezza to keep the post prandial levels in check. We recommend follow-on doses. For example, we advise with a standard meal to dose Afrezza 15-20 minutes after the start of the meal, and then another dose of the same size about 45 minutes later. With very long meals, we have even advised patients to administer two follow-on doses, for very tight control.
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Post by babaoriley on Aug 2, 2017 19:36:32 GMT -5
The dosing part of the study. dosing: www.seventhform.com/vdexdownloads/vdex-whitepaper-072817.pdf page 22. Comments Afrezza’s speed of action is both a blessing and a curse. Clearly, it is a large factor in the safety of the product, but for longer meals, you may need more Afrezza to keep the post prandial levels in check. We recommend follow-on doses. For example, we advise with a standard meal to dose Afrezza 15-20 minutes after the start of the meal, and then another dose of the same size about 45 minutes later. With very long meals, we have even advised patients to administer two follow-on doses, for very tight control. Peppy, how often do people have very long meals?
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Aug 2, 2017 19:40:56 GMT -5
The dosing part of the study. dosing: www.seventhform.com/vdexdownloads/vdex-whitepaper-072817.pdf page 22. Comments Afrezza’s speed of action is both a blessing and a curse. Clearly, it is a large factor in the safety of the product, but for longer meals, you may need more Afrezza to keep the post prandial levels in check. We recommend follow-on doses. For example, we advise with a standard meal to dose Afrezza 15-20 minutes after the start of the meal, and then another dose of the same size about 45 minutes later. With very long meals, we have even advised patients to administer two follow-on doses, for very tight control. Peppy, how often do people have very long meals? How often does one get invited for Italian with the mafia.
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Post by peppy on Aug 2, 2017 19:47:57 GMT -5
The dosing part of the study. dosing: www.seventhform.com/vdexdownloads/vdex-whitepaper-072817.pdf page 22. Comments Afrezza’s speed of action is both a blessing and a curse. Clearly, it is a large factor in the safety of the product, but for longer meals, you may need more Afrezza to keep the post prandial levels in check. We recommend follow-on doses. For example, we advise with a standard meal to dose Afrezza 15-20 minutes after the start of the meal, and then another dose of the same size about 45 minutes later. With very long meals, we have even advised patients to administer two follow-on doses, for very tight control. Peppy, how often do people have very long meals? that one (two follow up doses) surprised me also. I remember Matt B talking about a long meal at a Japanese steak house starting with drinks. Then I thought about type two diabetics. I have been surprised how much insulin a type two takes. and I thought about long meals. Typically, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter....and when I go on a binge.... I might have a long meal now.
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Post by sportsrancho on Aug 2, 2017 21:14:24 GMT -5
Vdex is the expert! I have no doubt. Some meals stretch out for ever.
But with kids... Tom's son takes a 12 unit 10min into a big pizza. And you know that does not take long for a 18 year old. ( 15min?) everyone is different.
He does have a Dexcom now and a One Drop. And takes follow up doses when he needs to. It becomes simple after a while:-) Like at first this board to me was a maze. I was whining to mnholdem... I can't figure this out. Lol. Now it's so simple! Afrezza is simple now to the kids. Freedom. It does become as easy as Dash makes it look!
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Aug 2, 2017 21:23:16 GMT -5
Vdex is the expert! I have no doubt. Some meals stretch out for ever. But with kids... Tom's son takes a 12 unit 10min into a big pizza. And you know that does not take long for a 18 year old. ( 15min?) everyone is different. He does have a Dexcom now and a One Drop. And takes follow up doses when be needs to. It becomes simple after a while:-) Like at first this board to me was a maze. I was whining to mnholdem... I can't figure this out. Lol. Now it's so simple! Afrezza is simple now to the kids. Freedom. It does become as easy as Dash makes it look! Inhale Afrezza before you inhale your pizza. Despite what some of the food police would say... it's heartening to see a teen with type 1 can enjoy the freedom to eat like a normal teen with less worries.
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Post by sportsrancho on Aug 3, 2017 6:08:18 GMT -5
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