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Post by agedhippie on Aug 20, 2017 7:58:12 GMT -5
It is going to take far more than an obscure cable TV series, a clinic nobody has heard of, and a Youtube channel sponsored by a pharma (441 subscribers!) Diabetics, especially Type 1, are very sensitive about people viewing them as a cash cow and here you have Reversed selling quack cures and expensive holidays, a clinic run by a hair restorer, and a Youtube channel paid for by an insulin manufacturer. This is not going to do it. This gets done by hard work, not gimmicks. These so-called gimmicks are just the very beginning of the coming paradigm shift. As time-in-range results soon come pouring in, the world of diabetes will be shaken and awakened. It's the science that will prevail because of the hard work. The a time in range trial is exactly the sort of work I am talking about when I say we have to do the work. Likewise a superiority trial. This is the sort of thing that will move the needle on the standard of care. All I see in Reversed, VDex, and DDN is self-publicity and an attempt to use diabetes as a marketing hook for those involved.
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Post by peppy on Aug 20, 2017 8:25:44 GMT -5
These so-called gimmicks are just the very beginning of the coming paradigm shift. As time-in-range results soon come pouring in, the world of diabetes will be shaken and awakened. It's the science that will prevail because of the hard work. The a time in range trial is exactly the sort of work I am talking about when I say we have to do the work. Likewise a superiority trial. This is the sort of thing that will move the needle on the standard of care. All I see in Reversed, VDex, and DDN is self-publicity and an attempt to use diabetes as a marketing hook for those involved. The people on reversed so far, are all type two. The people on the show needed help. The gal in the wheel chair, she has continued to lose weight. She was standing in a dress she never thought she would wear in a social media post sports posted.
Don't worry aged. The people on the reversed tv show can not afford afrezza and they do not have insurance to cover it. They are screwed.
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Post by agedhippie on Aug 20, 2017 8:37:36 GMT -5
It is going to take far more than an obscure cable TV series, a clinic nobody has heard of, and a Youtube channel sponsored by a pharma (441 subscribers!) Diabetics, especially Type 1, are very sensitive about people viewing them as a cash cow and here you have Reversed selling quack cures and expensive holidays, a clinic run by a hair restorer, and a Youtube channel paid for by an insulin manufacturer. This is not going to do it. This gets done by hard work, not gimmicks. Aged - you seem very upset about Reversed, VDex and Damon Dash. Can I ask why? What are the quack cures on Reversed you don't like? Concerning Vdex, I think everything they have done is spot on and has done more to advance T2 care with their bold statements than all the smart people who have been prescribing metformin for the last 20 years. As far as them being hair restorers, that may be a side benefit as I could use a little more hair. As far as Damon Dash, its personal for him. As he told me he needs afrezza to live and will do what he needs to do including carrying MNKD on his back - his words not mine. If he can make a buck or two while doing it I wish him well. Technology is changing diabetes care and all these smart people can no longer hide behind the numbers. After Tresiba the Nova Nordisk guys said they could not do any better and were done. For replicating phase one release you can not do better than afrezza. For first line use with T2s you can't do better and VDex is right. The hard work in developing the tools is over. Tim Cook should have his product out next year along with the V6 and then the M&M and then non-invasive for Verily. One Drop has an app which reminds me of the IPod user interface. Now its just a matter of getting the word out. TV, Rap, a chef, a hair guy, an actor in front of congress, whatever it takes. The smart guys doing studies only to conclude they need another study sure is not going to do it. Maybe the hair guy can get a meeting in the Oval office and help out with Trump's hair while doing a deal for the VA. I am upset because I dislike people trivializing and attempting to profit of a disease I have. The quack cures? That would be Vincent Depasquale, or Advanced Functional Medicine. Reversed seems to me to be about promoting his resort holidays. Oddly VDex upsets me less.I feel that they are not qualified and are guilty of pushing a particular solution (if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail) and are overtreating, but I also think that they do believe in it and I can forgive a lot for that. Damon Dash just leaves me with the cold. I think he is just in it for the money and I cannot see him making it. But the bottom line in all this is what is it achieving in the diabetic community? If I search Tudiabetes there is no buzz from any of this, no interest. It may be reaching somebody but it doesn't look like it is the diabetic community. You might not like studies and trials but if you want to change the standard of care then that is how it is done. If you want the medical world to ignore that standard of care just know that that is not going to happen - ambulance chasing lawyers will see to that. Trump's hair is a source of endless fascination to me. I am trying to work out if he is balding, or if it's just that his hair is very fine. Then there is the engineering problem of what it has to look like in the raw form to get into that shape.
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Post by agedhippie on Aug 20, 2017 8:42:28 GMT -5
The a time in range trial is exactly the sort of work I am talking about when I say we have to do the work. Likewise a superiority trial. This is the sort of thing that will move the needle on the standard of care. All I see in Reversed, VDex, and DDN is self-publicity and an attempt to use diabetes as a marketing hook for those involved. The people on reversed so far, are all type two. The people on the show needed help. The gal in the wheel chair, she has continued to lose weight. She was standing in a dress she never thought she would wear in a social media post sports posted.
Don't worry aged. The people on the reversed tv show can not afford afrezza and they do not have insurance to cover it. They are screwed.
I seriously think the pile it high and sell it cheap approach would work. If Afrezza cost the same as RAA does in Europe then they could afford it even without insurance. Afrezza would become the go-to insulin simply by virtue of being affordable. I used to think it was stupid to cut the price, but at this point I think going for volume is the only hope. Plus I want diabetics who need insulin to get insulin and I would rather it wasn't the old stuff.
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Post by slugworth008 on Aug 20, 2017 10:14:22 GMT -5
One word: Lawsuits
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Post by sayhey24 on Aug 20, 2017 14:01:04 GMT -5
Aged - you seem very upset about Reversed, VDex and Damon Dash. Can I ask why? What are the quack cures on Reversed you don't like? Concerning Vdex, I think everything they have done is spot on and has done more to advance T2 care with their bold statements than all the smart people who have been prescribing metformin for the last 20 years. As far as them being hair restorers, that may be a side benefit as I could use a little more hair. As far as Damon Dash, its personal for him. As he told me he needs afrezza to live and will do what he needs to do including carrying MNKD on his back - his words not mine. If he can make a buck or two while doing it I wish him well. Technology is changing diabetes care and all these smart people can no longer hide behind the numbers. After Tresiba the Nova Nordisk guys said they could not do any better and were done. For replicating phase one release you can not do better than afrezza. For first line use with T2s you can't do better and VDex is right. The hard work in developing the tools is over. Tim Cook should have his product out next year along with the V6 and then the M&M and then non-invasive for Verily. One Drop has an app which reminds me of the IPod user interface. Now its just a matter of getting the word out. TV, Rap, a chef, a hair guy, an actor in front of congress, whatever it takes. The smart guys doing studies only to conclude they need another study sure is not going to do it. Maybe the hair guy can get a meeting in the Oval office and help out with Trump's hair while doing a deal for the VA. I am upset because I dislike people trivializing and attempting to profit of a disease I have. The quack cures? That would be Vincent Depasquale, or Advanced Functional Medicine. Reversed seems to me to be about promoting his resort holidays. Oddly VDex upsets me less.I feel that they are not qualified and are guilty of pushing a particular solution (if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail) and are overtreating, but I also think that they do believe in it and I can forgive a lot for that. Damon Dash just leaves me with the cold. I think he is just in it for the money and I cannot see him making it. But the bottom line in all this is what is it achieving in the diabetic community? If I search Tudiabetes there is no buzz from any of this, no interest. It may be reaching somebody but it doesn't look like it is the diabetic community. You might not like studies and trials but if you want to change the standard of care then that is how it is done. If you want the medical world to ignore that standard of care just know that that is not going to happen - ambulance chasing lawyers will see to that. Trump's hair is a source of endless fascination to me. I am trying to work out if he is balding, or if it's just that his hair is very fine. Then there is the engineering problem of what it has to look like in the raw form to get into that shape. Maybe we can all agree Bill McCullen needs an invite to the Oval office to at least fix Trump's hair. Closing a VDex deal for a VA "Wellness" program would be a nice plus. If you search Tudiabetes what you will see are a group of people grouping for help. Its one mess after the other. If most followed the VDex protocol most would not have the issues they have. Maybe VDex should be posting their and helping those people out. I like Dash. I hope he does make a few bucks and gets all his friend on the afrezza train. Now, why is VDex not qualified? You are absolutely correct they are guilty of pushing a particular solution. Its the only solution which replaces first phase insulin release. What other solution should they be pushing? Back in the 1950's UpJohn new Orinase was a mess but all they saw was $$$. Then we got all the other BP seeing the money UpJohn was making and then over the years making T2 med after T2 med. Its such a mess the ADA has to put out guidelines on how to progress through the mess. At the end, if the PWD lives that long the answer is insulin. There is no doubt in my mind that all "prediabetics" should be using afrezza now in addition to all the other T2s who should have been using it three years ago. If you are going 150+ after eating you should be taking afrezza. If these early T2s are immediately put on afrezza most will get back into non-diabetic range and some will then be able to maintain that for years with out further afrezza. You say VDex is over-treating? Where did you get that from? They are trying to get these people back into a non-diabetic range through the use of a CGM and afrezza. That's exactly what they should be doing. Whats your better idea than afrezza that VDex should be pushing? At least all the smart people are slowly getting there but they sure don't want to rock the boat too much. diatribe.org/measuringwhatmatters
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Post by sportsrancho on Aug 20, 2017 14:40:11 GMT -5
IMO there is no one better, or knows more about the science than Bill. Not many who walked along with Al the whole way though this journey. Or has put this much work and persistence in! That's why Vdex is dedicated to Al.
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Post by peppy on Aug 20, 2017 14:54:54 GMT -5
quote: Maybe we can all agree Bill McCullen needs an invite to the Oval office to at least fix Trump's hair. Closing a VDex deal for a VA "Wellness" program would be a nice plus.
If you search Tudiabetes what you will see are a group of people grouping for help. Its one mess after the other. If most followed the VDex protocol most would not have the issues they have. Maybe VDex should be posting their and helping those people out.
I like Dash. I hope he does make a few bucks and gets all his friend on the afrezza train.
Now, why is VDex not qualified? You are absolutely correct they are guilty of pushing a particular solution. Its the only solution which replaces first phase insulin release. What other solution should they be pushing? Back in the 1950's UpJohn new Orinase was a mess but all they saw was $$$. Then we got all the other BP seeing the money UpJohn was making and then over the years making T2 med after T2 med. Its such a mess the ADA has to put out guidelines on how to progress through the mess. At the end, if the PWD lives that long the answer is insulin. There is no doubt in my mind that all "prediabetics" should be using afrezza now in addition to all the other T2s who should have been using it three years ago. If you are going 150+ after eating you should be taking afrezza.
If these early T2s are immediately put on afrezza most will get back into non-diabetic range and some will then be able to maintain that for years with out further afrezza. You say VDex is over-treating? Where did you get that from? They are trying to get these people back into a non-diabetic range through the use of a CGM and afrezza. That's exactly what they should be doing.
Whats your better idea than afrezza that VDex should be pushing?
At least all the smart people are slowly getting there but they sure don't want to rock the boat too much. diatribe.org/measuringwhatmatters
Reply: Sayhey, please tell me why this hasn't happened.
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Post by mango on Aug 20, 2017 15:30:06 GMT -5
I know for a fact that Charles Mattocks is one of the kindest people currently on this planet. I talk with him a decent bit on Twitter, and he is real, he cares about people and he wants to help them. He is a truly grateful person, a humbled person. agedhippie I find your biased and personal opinions to be highly offensive. You sound like the establishment that is the problem to good care. Glucose Homeostasis 101: Tight regulation of blood sugar. The ADA does not know what glucose homeostasis is. Proof is in the Standards of Care. Damon Dash (T1D), Charles Mattocks (T2D), Jeff of One Drop (T1D), all these people are doing a service to this country that others won't, like the ADA who don't know what glucose homeostasis is. I am forever grateful we have these great people.
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