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Post by casualinvestor on Mar 13, 2019 10:13:58 GMT -5
Not to be a wet blanket, but the last big pump that took us up over 6 started in August (possibly in May) and peaked in Oct. Then, it took almost a whole year for the dump to run it's course.
My point is that the timeframes for stock manipulation of MNKD are not always quick. If current price action is (partly?) a pump, it could be a long run-up and most likely no one knows where the target is. There is probably plenty of time for short sellers to wait for a peak
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Post by akemp3000 on Mar 13, 2019 10:22:06 GMT -5
There's no comparison to where the company is today versus where it was at the time of the last pump to $6. Today, Afrezza sales, the pipeline partnerships, the balance sheet, debt and international prospects are all in better positions than they were back then. It's doubtful shorts are watching this run in anticipation of a new peak to begin shorting again. IMO
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Post by mnkdfann on Mar 13, 2019 12:35:05 GMT -5
I think if we saw another pump the loan rate would go back up? awesomo? Sports...so, you make my point. Since the loan rates are drifting pretty far down, no 'Pump n Dump' is coming. If that's also the case, we're now seeing an organic rise in the SP which is very important, too. Then again, everything can change on a dime in the deep dark dens of WS. Today, enough shares are out there and my intuition says that this is a 'tell' by those who 'know before everyone else'. They will get to the $2.38 strike price before expiry (I think 4/29), and add more shares to the pool. My bet is that we will see more activity shortly (no pun intended) some time thereafter. I would think the 'pump' phase of a pump and dump would start precisely when loan rates were low, and shares were easy to borrow. Only after rates became high, and shares possibly hard to borrow, would the 'dump' phase begin. Of course, all of the above assumes the pump and dump is sizeable enough to move rates. A small pump and dump would have little or no effect. Furthermore, it also goes without saying that shares moving up in price does not mean a pump and dump is necessarily occurring. The current rise may well be 'organic' as you said.
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Post by prcgorman2 on Mar 14, 2019 6:20:10 GMT -5
Sports...so, you make my point. Since the loan rates are drifting pretty far down, no 'Pump n Dump' is coming. If that's also the case, we're now seeing an organic rise in the SP which is very important, too. Then again, everything can change on a dime in the deep dark dens of WS. Today, enough shares are out there and my intuition says that this is a 'tell' by those who 'know before everyone else'. They will get to the $2.38 strike price before expiry (I think 4/29), and add more shares to the pool. My bet is that we will see more activity shortly (no pun intended) some time thereafter. I would think the 'pump' phase of a pump and dump would start precisely when loan rates were low, and shares were easy to borrow. Only after rates became high, and shares possibly hard to borrow, would the 'dump' phase begin. Of course, all of the above assumes the pump and dump is sizeable enough to move rates. A small pump and dump would have little or no effect. Furthermore, it also goes without saying that shares moving up in price does not mean a pump and dump is necessarily occurring. The current rise may well be 'organic' as you said. +1 crossing fingers for “organic”. A very odd data point to add to this recent price action is that Yahoo! Conversations, ever a denizen of paid bashers (IMO), seems to be very suddenly devoid of them. That cannot be accidental. If memory serves, that did not happen during the run to $6. Which while we’re mentioning the $6 price, I want to give a shout out to Dr. Castagna for the dilution at that price. Kind of balances the last dilution (not - but hey nobody’s perfect). Anyway, the lack of bashers on YCs does not give me a warm and fuzzy this run is “organic”, but would love to be wrong. Personally, I’m guessing TraderDennis and others who expect warrant holder trading to be involved are correct. Yesterday somebody made money on transactions.
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Post by goyocafe on Mar 14, 2019 6:36:12 GMT -5
I would think the 'pump' phase of a pump and dump would start precisely when loan rates were low, and shares were easy to borrow. Only after rates became high, and shares possibly hard to borrow, would the 'dump' phase begin. Of course, all of the above assumes the pump and dump is sizeable enough to move rates. A small pump and dump would have little or no effect. Furthermore, it also goes without saying that shares moving up in price does not mean a pump and dump is necessarily occurring. The current rise may well be 'organic' as you said. +1 crossing fingers for “organic”. A very odd data point to add to this recent price action is that Yahoo! Conversations, ever a denizen of paid bashers (IMO), seems to be very suddenly devoid of them. That cannot be accidental. If memory serves, that did not happen during the run to $6. Which while we’re mentioning the $6 price, I want to give a shout out to Dr. Castagna for the dilution at that price. Kind of balances the last dilution (not - but hey nobody’s perfect). Anyway, the lack of bashers on YCs does not give me a warm and fuzzy this run is “organic”, but would love to be wrong. Personally, I’m guessing TraderDennis and others who expect warrant holder trading to be involved are correct. Yesterday somebody made money on transactions. All this talk about a pump and dump and the possibility that MNKD executives are complicit in their orchestration seems to fly in the face of something legal. It just seems less than equitable or something the SEC would condone to let a company be involved in this kind of scheme. And yet here we are talking about it as a matter of fact, so much so that the possibility of another pump and dump seems to be the more likely scenario than some unlikely change in fortune for MNKD. The fact that we see a P&D as likely and accept it as par for the course shows me just how far individual investors have been beaten down. We no longer get upset about the manipulation, but merely try to anticipate it and play along to try to capitalize on it. I for one get a very uneasy feeling in my stomach thinking MNKD could be behind this.
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Post by hellodolly on Mar 14, 2019 7:51:13 GMT -5
+1 crossing fingers for “organic”. A very odd data point to add to this recent price action is that Yahoo! Conversations, ever a denizen of paid bashers (IMO), seems to be very suddenly devoid of them. That cannot be accidental. If memory serves, that did not happen during the run to $6. Which while we’re mentioning the $6 price, I want to give a shout out to Dr. Castagna for the dilution at that price. Kind of balances the last dilution (not - but hey nobody’s perfect). Anyway, the lack of bashers on YCs does not give me a warm and fuzzy this run is “organic”, but would love to be wrong. Personally, I’m guessing TraderDennis and others who expect warrant holder trading to be involved are correct. Yesterday somebody made money on transactions. All this talk about a pump and dump and the possibility that MNKD executives are complicit in their orchestration seems to fly in the face of something legal. It just seems less than equitable or something the SEC would condone to let a company be involved in this kind of scheme. And yet here we are talking about it as a matter of fact, so much so that the possibility of another pump and dump seems to be the more likely scenario than some unlikely change in fortune for MNKD. The fact that we see a P&D as likely and accept it as par for the course shows me just how far individual investors have been beaten down. We no longer get upset about the manipulation, but merely try to anticipate it and play along to try to capitalize on it. I for one get a very uneasy feeling in my stomach thinking MNKD could be behind this. I'll stick by my story that growth is becoming 'organic' and add that MNKD is beginning to show all the hallmarks that indicate such, i.e.; change in people, marketing strategy, partnerships, revenue, debt restructure, increased brand recognition, growing social media presence, etc. The stock, ITSELF, is a completely different animal controlled by big money for profit and they will win EVERY TIME. The changes in MNKD simply dictate how they'll play the game in order to continue winning.
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Post by mnkdfann on Mar 14, 2019 8:05:37 GMT -5
+1 crossing fingers for “organic”. A very odd data point to add to this recent price action is that Yahoo! Conversations, ever a denizen of paid bashers (IMO), seems to be very suddenly devoid of them. That cannot be accidental. If memory serves, that did not happen during the run to $6. Which while we’re mentioning the $6 price, I want to give a shout out to Dr. Castagna for the dilution at that price. Kind of balances the last dilution (not - but hey nobody’s perfect). Anyway, the lack of bashers on YCs does not give me a warm and fuzzy this run is “organic”, but would love to be wrong. Personally, I’m guessing TraderDennis and others who expect warrant holder trading to be involved are correct. Yesterday somebody made money on transactions. All this talk about a pump and dump and the possibility that MNKD executives are complicit in their orchestration seems to fly in the face of something legal. It just seems less than equitable or something the SEC would condone to let a company be involved in this kind of scheme. And yet here we are talking about it as a matter of fact, so much so that the possibility of another pump and dump seems to be the more likely scenario than some unlikely change in fortune for MNKD. The fact that we see a P&D as likely and accept it as par for the course shows me just how far individual investors have been beaten down. We no longer get upset about the manipulation, but merely try to anticipate it and play along to try to capitalize on it. I for one get a very uneasy feeling in my stomach thinking MNKD could be behind this. I may have missed it, but I have no recollection of anyone (except yourself) even suggesting that MNKD is behind a P&D. As to your second paragraph, and this is just my opinion, but I think manipulation (including P&D) has been a part of the stock market for decades. Probably all the way back to their start. If someone is just accepting that manipulation is par for the course now, they may still be pretty naive investors, or at least investors with still a lot to learn. But, IF there is a P&D, I really do not think MNKD is the one directing it. I'm sure MNKD is / has / will take steps to support its share price as best it can, but IMO that is a far cry from directing a P&D.
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Post by prcgorman2 on Mar 14, 2019 10:59:25 GMT -5
All this talk about a pump and dump and the possibility that MNKD executives are complicit in their orchestration seems to fly in the face of something legal. It just seems less than equitable or something the SEC would condone to let a company be involved in this kind of scheme. And yet here we are talking about it as a matter of fact, so much so that the possibility of another pump and dump seems to be the more likely scenario than some unlikely change in fortune for MNKD. The fact that we see a P&D as likely and accept it as par for the course shows me just how far individual investors have been beaten down. We no longer get upset about the manipulation, but merely try to anticipate it and play along to try to capitalize on it. I for one get a very uneasy feeling in my stomach thinking MNKD could be behind this. I may have missed it, but I have no recollection of anyone (except yourself) even suggesting that MNKD is behind a P&D. As to your second paragraph, and this is just my opinion, but I think manipulation (including P&D) has been a part of the stock market for decades. Probably all the way back to their start. If someone is just accepting that manipulation is par for the course now, they may still be pretty naive investors, or at least investors with still a lot to learn. But, IF there is a P&D, I really do not think MNKD is the one directing it. I'm sure MNKD is / has / will take steps to support its share price as best it can, but IMO that is a far cry from directing a P&D. 100% AGREE. I never said anything about Mannkind having anything to do with it. I gave credit for wise decision making in the case of a stock sale when the price was high, and let a little air out of the balloon by also admitting the most recent dilution could have, conversely, been better timed. I did not say anything about Mannkind being involved in anything unethical and directed my comments about unethical behavior to paid bashers on Yahoo! Conversations (AND ELSEWHERE). Read more: mnkd.proboards.com/thread/8514/loan-rate?page=50#ixzz5iA8D4MoB
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Post by goyocafe on Mar 14, 2019 11:06:35 GMT -5
I may have missed it, but I have no recollection of anyone (except yourself) even suggesting that MNKD is behind a P&D. As to your second paragraph, and this is just my opinion, but I think manipulation (including P&D) has been a part of the stock market for decades. Probably all the way back to their start. If someone is just accepting that manipulation is par for the course now, they may still be pretty naive investors, or at least investors with still a lot to learn. But, IF there is a P&D, I really do not think MNKD is the one directing it. I'm sure MNKD is / has / will take steps to support its share price as best it can, but IMO that is a far cry from directing a P&D. 100% AGREE. I never said anything about Mannkind having anything to do with it. I gave credit for wise decision making in the case of a stock sale when the price was high, and let a little air out of the balloon by also admitting the most recent dilution could have, conversely, been better timed. I did not say anything about Mannkind being involved in anything unethical and directed my comments about unethical behavior to paid bashers on Yahoo! Conversations (AND ELSEWHERE). Read more: mnkd.proboards.com/thread/8514/loan-rate?page=50#ixzz5iA8D4MoBMy bad. I misunderstood your statement.
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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 14, 2019 11:21:16 GMT -5
Sports...so, you make my point. Since the loan rates are drifting pretty far down, no 'Pump n Dump' is coming. If that's also the case, we're now seeing an organic rise in the SP which is very important, too. Then again, everything can change on a dime in the deep dark dens of WS. Today, enough shares are out there and my intuition says that this is a 'tell' by those who 'know before everyone else'. They will get to the $2.38 strike price before expiry (I think 4/29), and add more shares to the pool. My bet is that we will see more activity shortly (no pun intended) some time thereafter. I would think the 'pump' phase of a pump and dump would start precisely when loan rates were low, and shares were easy to borrow. Only after rates became high, and shares possibly hard to borrow, would the 'dump' phase begin. Of course, all of the above assumes the pump and dump is sizeable enough to move rates. A small pump and dump would have little or no effect. Furthermore, it also goes without saying that shares moving up in price does not mean a pump and dump is necessarily occurring. The current rise may well be 'organic' as you said. OK so they start when the loan rates are low.. it took six weeks or so for the stock to get over $5 then Pete picked up “unusual option activity” and posted it on Twitter which caused it to go even higher in my opinion. (They don’t talk about a stock unless it’s over five.) Then were the loan rates creeping up as the stock went up?
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Post by boca1girl on Mar 14, 2019 11:44:12 GMT -5
Getting back on topic, Fidelity dropped the rate paid from 2.75% to 2.625% this morning. No shares returned but I do have a few shares available to lend.
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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 19, 2019 5:44:03 GMT -5
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Post by boca1girl on Mar 21, 2019 8:23:31 GMT -5
Rate paid down to 2.50% this morning at Fidelity.
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Post by boca1girl on Mar 22, 2019 7:39:26 GMT -5
Rate drop this morning to 2.375%.
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Post by markado on Mar 22, 2019 8:22:59 GMT -5
Bocagirl - do you take the consistently declining interest rate to mean that there us a substantial, if not growing, base of shares available for borrowing?
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