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Post by boca1girl on Oct 22, 2017 7:53:41 GMT -5
MannKind Corporation, Inst Holders, 3Q 2017 (MNKD) BY Dow Jones & Company, Inc. — 4:17 AM ET 10/20/2017 The following table shows the largest shareholders in MANNKIND CORP COM (MNKD) for the quarter ended September 30, 2017, listed by holding size. The list represents up to 50 of the largest holders in the company. Note: Unless otherwise mentioned the reporting date is 09/30/2017 Institution Shares Shares % Last Held Changed Held Report
Deerfield Management Company L 2,702,403 2,702,403 2.582 06/30 Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC (Priva 1,963,876 401,471 1.876 06/30 Scopia Capital Management LP 982,930 0 0.939 06/30 BlackRock Fund Advisors 964,653 (2,463,261) 0.921 06/30 Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC 930,598 399,357 0.889 06/30 Millennium Management LLC 822,192 744,532 0.785 06/30 Harel-Pia Mutual Funds Ltd. 588,520 98,520 0.562 06/30 JPMorgan Securities LLC (Inves 554,038 507,815 0.529 06/30 Balyasny Asset Management LP 403,000 403,000 0.385 06/30 Geode Capital Management LLC 375,072 (104,081) 0.358 06/30 GSA Capital Partners LLP 340,420 (351,500) 0.325 06/30 Element Capital Management LLC 261,940 261,940 0.250 06/30 Northern Trust Investments In 260,724 (516,175) 0.249 06/30 LMR Partners LLP 249,204 249,204 0.238 06/30 Susquehanna Financial Group LL 240,293 65,042 0.230 06/30 Creative Planning Inc. 211,823 191,318 0.202 09/30 Ergoteles LLC 192,200 192,200 0.184 06/30 Jane Street Capital LLC 158,546 56,853 0.151 06/30 Jacobs Levy Equity Management 139,666 (57,580) 0.133 06/30 Goldman Sachs International 120,000 120,000 0.115 06/30 Barclays Capital Inc. 112,423 97,271 0.107 06/30 Citadel Advisors LLC 110,429 110,429 0.105 06/30 Charles Schwab Investment Mana 106,397 (28,680) 0.102 06/30 UBS Securities LLC 98,922 80,983 0.094 06/30 Raymond James & Associates In 87,182 30,680 0.083 06/30 The California Public Employee 87,060 0 0.083 06/30 KCG Americas LLC 84,343 (63,609) 0.081 06/30 Squarepoint OPS LLC 69,674 45,398 0.067 06/30 The Bank of New York Mellon Co 60,973 (114,885) 0.058 06/30 OxFORD Asset Management LLP 54,243 54,243 0.052 06/30 Wells Fargo Clearing Services 49,351 (3,515) 0.047 06/30 Private Advisor Group LLC 44,933 6,950 0.043 06/30 SSgA Funds Management Inc. 40,336 (988,614) 0.039 06/30 D. E. Shaw & Co. LP 38,983 (898,005) 0.037 06/30 Commonwealth Equity Services 34,539 11,840 0.033 06/30 Merrill Lynch Pierce Fenner 28,449 20,651 0.027 06/30 BBR Partners LLC 26,504 0 0.025 06/30 RBC Capital Markets LLC (Inves 25,393 (651) 0.024 06/30 COMMERZBANK AG (Investment Man 25,136 0 0.024 06/30 Cambridge Investment Research 24,393 3,670 0.023 06/30 Triad Hybrid Solutions LLC 24,084 (600) 0.023 06/30 Canada Pension Plan Investment 23,560 0 0.023 06/30 BNY Mellon Capital Markets LLC 22,282 22,282 0.021 06/30 Tudor Investment Corp. 20,665 0 0.020 06/30 Vanguard Fiduciary Trust Co. 18,036 (103,428) 0.017 06/30 Bank of America NA (Private B 17,605 (11,494) 0.017 06/30 City National Rochdale LLC 16,700 1,253 0.016 06/30 UBS Financial Services Inc. 15,024 1,654 0.014 06/30 The Investment House LLC 14,840 0 0.014 06/30 LPL Financial LLC 14,670 (960) 0.014 09/30
13F data provided by: Factset Research Systems Inc.; Please send questions to ownership@factset.com. Copyright, Factset Research Systems, 2017. All Rights Reserved.
(END) Dow Jones Newswires 10-20-17 0417ET MORE MNKD NEWS ValuEngine downgrades MANNKIND CORPORATION from HOLD to SELL. Investars Analyst Actions - public - 7:55 AM ET 10/19/2017 ValuEngine downgrades MANNKIND CORPORATION from HOLD to SELL. Investars Analyst Actions - public - 7:43 AM ET 10/19/2017 Close Update: Wall Street Stretches String of Record Closes With Tailwind From IBM MT Newswires - 4:31 PM ET 10/18/2017
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Post by peppy on Oct 22, 2017 7:57:18 GMT -5
I ran down the list quickly, I saw goldman, goldman goldman, jp morgan and wells. blackstone. Deerfield.
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Post by mnkdfann on Oct 22, 2017 11:27:12 GMT -5
The 20th largest institutional holder is Goldman Sachs International, with 120,000 shares. (And it drops off rapidly from there.) I think there are several people on this board who hold more than that.
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Post by patryn on Oct 22, 2017 16:38:11 GMT -5
Yes the institutional holdings are pretty much non existent since the stock price has been so low. I don't think that will change until enough sales happen to warrant a stock price over $10. I sadly hold more than GS International, but I believe that long term, should MNKD become a success, it won't matter that my exact buy in price wasn't the lowest possible. Or maybe I will eventually get some pretty heavy capital losses to offset my other gains, but I would be more disappointed by the loss of an important drug delivery mechanism and diabetes treatment.
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Post by boca1girl on Oct 22, 2017 16:49:33 GMT -5
Since the 10M share placement didn’t occur until Oct, maybe we will see new holders on the next report.
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Post by traderdennis on Oct 23, 2017 0:47:30 GMT -5
Since the 10M share placement didn’t occur until Oct, maybe we will see new holders on the next report. [babout the same time as that UAE shipment arrives. I think most of those buyers at six in the offering had opened up short positions and covered with the offering. No proof just conjecture.
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Post by boytroy88 on Jan 16, 2018 1:10:54 GMT -5
Since the 10M share placement didn’t occur until Oct, maybe we will see new holders on the next report. According to MNKD website the new(er) numbers are out...Al Mann (foundation, etc.) reduced quite a bit. Also, don't see Deerfield on the list. investors.mannkindcorp.com/ownership-profile.cfm | Shares Held | % O/S | Shares Change | Filing Date | Mann (Alfred E) | 8,806,500 | 7.67 | -13,283,644 | 10/30/2017 | The Vanguard Group, Inc. | 3,154,433 | 2.75 | 614,875 | 09/30/2017 | BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. | 1,903,040 | 1.66 | 938,387 | 09/30/2017 | Fidelity Management & Research Company | 1,801,400 | 1.57 | 1,801,400 | 11/30/2017 | D. E. Shaw & Co., L.P. | 1,227,979 | 1.07 | 1,188,996 | 09/30/2017 | Scopia Capital Management LP | 982,930 | 0.86 | 0 | 09/30/2017 | Millennium Management LLC | 674,043 | 0.59 | -148,149 | 09/30/2017 | Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC | 645,279 | 0.56 | -285,319 | 09/30/2017 | Balyasny Asset Management LP | 619,800 | 0.54 | 216,800 | 09/30/2017 | Hudson Bay Capital Management LP | 555,779 | 0.48 | 555,779 | 09/30/2017 | Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP | 552,870 | 0.48 | 312,577 | 09/30/2017 | Goldman Sachs International | 550,744 | 0.48 | 430,744 | 09/30/2017 | Pfeffer (Matthew J) | 538,088 | 0.47 | 442,136 | 10/30/2017 | Geode Capital Management, L.L.C. | 481,026 | 0.42 | 105,954 | 09/30/2017 | Thomson (David) | 384,913 | 0.34 | 312,384 | 10/30/2017 | J.P. Morgan Securities LLC | 302,200 | 0.26 | -251,838 | 09/30/2017 | Norges Bank Investment Management (NBIM) | 272,158 | 0.24 | 25,643 | 12/31/2016 | Kresa (Kent) | 242,605 | 0.21 | 228,572 | 10/30/2017 | Creative Planning, Inc. | 211,823 | 0.18 | 191,318 | 09/30/2017 | Northern Trust Investments, Inc. | 178,147 | 0.16 | -39,140 | 09/30/2017 | Element Capital Management, LLC | 161,841 | 0.14 | -100,099 | 09/30/2017 | Goldman Sachs & Company, Inc. | 153,847 | 0.13 | -1,810,029 | 09/30/2017 | BMO Capital Markets (US) | 150,000 | 0.13 | 150,000 | 09/30/2017 | Dimensional Fund Advisors, L.P. | 124,538 | 0.11 | 124,538 | 09/30/2017 | Charles Schwab Investment Management, Inc. | 117,416 | 0.10 | 11,019 | 09/30/2017 | Bruce & Company, Inc. | 114,927 | 0.10 | 114,927 | 10/31/2017 | State Street Global Advisors (US) | 107,464 | 0.09 | 67,128 | 09/30/2017 | Raymond James & Associates, Inc. | 101,288 | 0.09 | 14,106 | 09/30/2017 | DuPont Capital Management Corporation | 101,000 | 0.09 | 101,000 | 09/30/2017 | Virtu Americas LLC | 91,217 | 0.08 | 6,874 | 09/30/2017 | California Public Employees' Retirement System | 87,060 | 0.08 | 0 | 09/30/2017 | Fortis Advisors, LLC | 79,545 | 0.07 | 79,545 | 09/30/2017 | Macquarie Funds Management Hong Kong Ltd. | 71,780 | 0.06 | 71,780 | 09/30/2017 | Jane Street Capital, L.L.C. | 70,097 | 0.06 | -88,449 | 09/30/2017 | MacCallum (David H) | 70,019 | 0.06 | 57,860 | 10/30/2017 | Friedman (Michael A) | 69,342 | 0.06 | 57,796 | 10/30/2017 | Consiglio (Ronald Joseph) | 68,825 | 0.06 | 56,786 | 10/30/2017 | Nordhoff (Henry L) | 66,249 | 0.06 | 54,844 | 10/30/2017 | Wolverine Trading, LLC | 63,579 | 0.06 | 63,579 | 09/30/2017 | Wells Fargo Advisors | 63,388 | 0.06 | 4,026 | 09/30/2017 | Castagna (Michael E.) | 61,593 | 0.05 | 53,001 | 12/20/2017 | BNY Mellon Asset Management | 60,773 | 0.05 | 0 | 09/30/2017 | Tross Stuart A | 59,840 | 0.05 | 39,840 | 12/21/2017 | BlackRock Advisors (UK) Limited | 53,400 | 0.05 | 53,400 | 09/30/2017 | Urbanski (Raymond W) | 43,591 | 0.04 | 37,827 | 10/30/2017 | Bank of America Merrill Lynch (US) | 40,667 | 0.04 | -13,361 | 09/30/2017 | BNY Mellon Wealth Management | 40,000 | 0.03 | 39,800 | 09/30/2017 | Ladenburg Thalmann Asset Management Inc. (LTAM) | 39,723 | 0.03 | 3,057 | 09/30/2017 | Private Advisor Group LLC | 39,203 | 0.03 | -5,730 | 09/30/2017 | Commonwealth Financial Network | 32,779 | 0.03 | -1,760 | 09/30/2017 |
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Post by mnkdfann on Jan 16, 2018 1:43:57 GMT -5
"Al Mann (foundation, etc.) reduced quite a bit."
You can say that again. Quite a reduction indeed.
I thought institutional friendlies owned enough shares in MNKD that any vote (e.g., on a R/S or Dilution) was pretty much guaranteed to go MNKD's way.
Is that no longer the case? (Or maybe it never was, and I was misinformed.)
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Post by babaoriley on Jan 16, 2018 1:51:05 GMT -5
The 20th largest institutional holder is Goldman Sachs International, with 120,000 shares. (And it drops off rapidly from there.) I think there are several people on this board who hold more than that. At this point, there are clearly more institutionalized investors than institutional.
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Post by #NoMoreNeedles on Jan 16, 2018 5:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by timri on Jan 16, 2018 6:00:42 GMT -5
Wow matt pfeffer 538k shares.
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Post by boytroy88 on Jan 16, 2018 7:25:09 GMT -5
So now Bruce & Company has the most shares.... | | | | | | | | | | | | | BRUCE & COMPANY ., INC.(PRN) | CHICAGO | IL | 27,690,000 | $ 17,998,000 | 4.02% | 4.11% | 9 | | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-15 | MANN ALFRED E | SYLMAR | CA | 16,753,800 | $ 23,622,858 | 100.00% | | 1 | 15,972,427 | 16.5863% | 13D | 2012-06-27 | 2012-07-10 | FLYNN JAMES E | NEW YORK | NY | 5,217,391 | $ 11,321,738 | 0.28% | | 52 | 5,217,391 | 5.1652% | 13G | 2017-04-19 | 2017-04-19 | GROUP ONE TRADING, L.P.(CALL) | CHICAGO | IL | 3,195,400 | $ 6,934,000 | 0.06% | 0.04% | 387 | 209,900 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-15 | VANGUARD GROUP INC | VALLEY FORGE | PA | 3,154,433 | $ 6,845,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2986 | 614,875 | 3.1229% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC(CALL) | NEW YORK | NY | 2,102,000 | $ 4,561,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3241 | | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLP(PUT) | BALA CYNWYD | PA | 2,053,500 | $ 4,456,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2647 | 182,000 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | BLACKROCK INC. | NEW YORK | NY | 1,934,009 | $ 4,197,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3507 | 947,884 | 1.9147% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLP(CALL) | BALA CYNWYD | PA | 1,858,400 | $ 4,033,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2792 | 479,600 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | D. E. SHAW & COMPANY ., INC. | NEW YORK | NY | 1,227,979 | $ 2,665,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 1816 | 1,188,996 | 1.2157% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GROUP ONE TRADING, L.P.(PUT) | CHICAGO | IL | 994,700 | $ 2,159,000 | 0.02% | 0.01% | 997 | 235,900 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-15 | SCOPIA CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LP | NEW YORK | NY | 982,930 | $ 2,133,000 | 0.03% | 0.03% | 30 | | 0.9731% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC | NEW YORK | NY | 704,591 | $ 1,529,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 4195 | 1,379,285 | 0.6976% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | MILLENNIUM MANAGEMENT LLC | NEW YORK | NY | 674,043 | $ 1,463,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2325 | 148,149 | 0.6673% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | MORGAN STANLEY | NEW YORK | NY | 657,661 | $ 1,427,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 4150 | 285,026 | 0.6511% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | BARCLAYS PLC(CALL) | LONDON | X0 | 632,080 | $ 1,372,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2703 | 215,900 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | BALYASNY ASSET MANAGEMENT LLC | CHICAGO | IL | 619,800 | $ 1,345,000 | 0.01% | 0.00% | 1097 | 216,800 | 0.6136% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | HUDSON BAY CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LP | NEW YORK | NY | 555,779 | $ 1,206,000 | 0.03% | | 283 | 555,779 | 0.5502% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-13 | SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLP | BALA CYNWYD | PA | 552,870 | $ 1,200,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 4934 | 312,577 | 0.5473% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GEODE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLC | BOSTON | MA | 481,026 | $ 1,043,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3102 | 105,954 | 0.4762% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | EQUITEC PROPRIETARY MARKETS, LLC(CALL) | CHICAGO | IL | 424,200 | $ 921,000 | 0.22% | 0.15% | 46 | 36,400 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-10-23 | ACUTA CAPITAL PARTNERS, LLC(PUT) | BELMONT | CA | 350,000 | $ 760,000 | 0.14% | 0.01% | 57 | 317,700 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | JPMORGAN CHASE & COMPANY | NEW YORK | NY | 302,200 | $ 671,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3677 | 251,838 | 0.2992% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-09 | HONKAMP KRUEGER FINANCIAL SERVICES, INC.(CALL) | DUBUQUE | IA | 250,000 | $ 106,000 | 0.01% | 0.00% | 356 | 100,000 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-10-19 | JANE STREET GROUP, LLC(CALL) | NEW YORK | NY | 244,500 | $ 531,000 | 0.00% | | 3015 | 244,500 | | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 |
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Post by boca1girl on Jan 16, 2018 8:08:59 GMT -5
For clarification, does put/call mean they only hold options?
What does prn mean? I could find a reference in the listing from the link.
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Post by Jstokcton on Jan 16, 2018 9:05:37 GMT -5
What do the designations PRN, CALL and PUT mean?
These are to segregate holdings by class. PRN indicates principal amount on convertible debt securities. If the holdings being reported are put or call options, then the designation "PUT" or "CALL" is used as appropriate.
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Post by mnkdfann on Jan 16, 2018 9:32:20 GMT -5
So now Bruce & Company has the most shares....
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| BRUCE & COMPANY ., INC.(PRN) | CHICAGO | IL | 27,690,000 | $ 17,998,000 | 4.02% | 4.11% | 9 |
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| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-15 | MANN ALFRED E | SYLMAR | CA | 16,753,800 | $ 23,622,858 | 100.00% |
| 1 | 15,972,427 | 16.5863% | 13D | 2012-06-27 | 2012-07-10 | FLYNN JAMES E | NEW YORK | NY | 5,217,391 | $ 11,321,738 | 0.28% |
| 52 | 5,217,391 | 5.1652% | 13G | 2017-04-19 | 2017-04-19 | GROUP ONE TRADING, L.P.(CALL) | CHICAGO | IL | 3,195,400 | $ 6,934,000 | 0.06% | 0.04% | 387 | 209,900 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-15 | VANGUARD GROUP INC | VALLEY FORGE | PA | 3,154,433 | $ 6,845,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2986 | 614,875 | 3.1229% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC(CALL) | NEW YORK | NY | 2,102,000 | $ 4,561,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3241 |
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| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLP(PUT) | BALA CYNWYD | PA | 2,053,500 | $ 4,456,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2647 | 182,000 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | BLACKROCK INC. | NEW YORK | NY | 1,934,009 | $ 4,197,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3507 | 947,884 | 1.9147% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLP(CALL) | BALA CYNWYD | PA | 1,858,400 | $ 4,033,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2792 | 479,600 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | D. E. SHAW & COMPANY ., INC. | NEW YORK | NY | 1,227,979 | $ 2,665,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 1816 | 1,188,996 | 1.2157% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GROUP ONE TRADING, L.P.(PUT) | CHICAGO | IL | 994,700 | $ 2,159,000 | 0.02% | 0.01% | 997 | 235,900 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-15 | SCOPIA CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LP | NEW YORK | NY | 982,930 | $ 2,133,000 | 0.03% | 0.03% | 30 |
| 0.9731% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC | NEW YORK | NY | 704,591 | $ 1,529,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 4195 | 1,379,285 | 0.6976% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | MILLENNIUM MANAGEMENT LLC | NEW YORK | NY | 674,043 | $ 1,463,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2325 | 148,149 | 0.6673% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | MORGAN STANLEY | NEW YORK | NY | 657,661 | $ 1,427,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 4150 | 285,026 | 0.6511% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | BARCLAYS PLC(CALL) | LONDON | X0 | 632,080 | $ 1,372,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 2703 | 215,900 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | BALYASNY ASSET MANAGEMENT LLC | CHICAGO | IL | 619,800 | $ 1,345,000 | 0.01% | 0.00% | 1097 | 216,800 | 0.6136% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | HUDSON BAY CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LP | NEW YORK | NY | 555,779 | $ 1,206,000 | 0.03% |
| 283 | 555,779 | 0.5502% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-13 | SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLP | BALA CYNWYD | PA | 552,870 | $ 1,200,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 4934 | 312,577 | 0.5473% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | GEODE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLC | BOSTON | MA | 481,026 | $ 1,043,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3102 | 105,954 | 0.4762% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | EQUITEC PROPRIETARY MARKETS, LLC(CALL) | CHICAGO | IL | 424,200 | $ 921,000 | 0.22% | 0.15% | 46 | 36,400 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-10-23 | ACUTA CAPITAL PARTNERS, LLC(PUT) | BELMONT | CA | 350,000 | $ 760,000 | 0.14% | 0.01% | 57 | 317,700 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 | JPMORGAN CHASE & COMPANY | NEW YORK | NY | 302,200 | $ 671,000 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 3677 | 251,838 | 0.2992% | 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-09 | HONKAMP KRUEGER FINANCIAL SERVICES, INC.(CALL) | DUBUQUE | IA | 250,000 | $ 106,000 | 0.01% | 0.00% | 356 | 100,000 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-10-19 | JANE STREET GROUP, LLC(CALL) | NEW YORK | NY | 244,500 | $ 531,000 | 0.00% |
| 3015 | 244,500 |
| 13F | 2017-09-30 | 2017-11-14 |
The info for Al Mann above has a 2012 source date. So at least some of that Whale Wisdom info is hopelessly outdated.
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