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Post by goyocafe on Sept 11, 2019 12:56:49 GMT -5
The only reason I click on this thread at all is to clear the blue "New" icon on my screen. Otherwise, I just can't be bothered with this poll either way.
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 11, 2019 12:57:16 GMT -5
It wasn’t me I don’t do polls of any kind. What? I thought you said that one of your training exercises is doing a poll dance? But, that's mytakeonit Lol😂 |
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Post by awesomo on Sept 11, 2019 13:06:15 GMT -5
If HFM is pushing MNKD's management team for whatever reason (shareholder awareness, pressure, spite, etc.), then I'm alright with them.
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 11, 2019 13:15:28 GMT -5
Pushing for good change to bring about shareholder value is a good thing and in my opinion if HFM doesn’t do it somebody else will come along and do it because of the undervalued state of the company. Then you can all yell at them, but in reality complaining about HFM doesn’t do any good at all because it will all come out in the wash.
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Post by boca1girl on Sept 11, 2019 13:35:35 GMT -5
I’m hoping Vdex helps scripts take off:-) I also hope Vdex helps scripts but I believe HFM is not helpful. |
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Post by bioexec25 on Sept 11, 2019 14:45:25 GMT -5
Pushing for good change to bring about shareholder value is a good thing and in my opinion if HFM doesn’t do it somebody else will come along and do it because of the undervalued state of the company. Then you can all yell at them, but in reality complaining about HFM doesn’t do any good at all because it will all come out in the wash. Agree with you Sports. Personally I try not to conflate issues/opportunities e.g. Bill, MK, Vdex and HFM, thus the abstention. As others have said people may have self serving motives and often the enemy of my enemy is my friend on some topics. :-). I align with the above on certain criticisms of "how" Mnkd is run operationally, and strategically for that matter. My personal preference is for these matters to not unfold publicly unless at an organized event for that purpose like the ASM, but sometimes management isn't exactly forthcoming without visible pressure. I've interacted directly with Mnkd leadership more these past two years via social media. Frankly because I'm still seething from two ASMs ago as I sat and listened to what now is either lying/mega spin or complete and utter incompetence. As a retired exec, I just have so little tolerance for the former and as an large investor little tolerance for the latter. I do certainly hope Mannkind is successful and will continue to do what I can to help. I even hope that Vdex does well for what's it worth with their synergies in patient retention/disease management. Ah yet once again, it's an And not an Or. |
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Post by brotherm1 on Sept 11, 2019 19:32:22 GMT -5
I agree. I'd log in much more often and for longer periods of time and post more, but for months now, my phone gets locked up from advertising from cookies on this site even when I now have pop ups blocked. Anyway, I feel the same and very much appreciate HFM and anyone trying to make a positive change with MNKD
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Post by vdexdiabetes on Sept 12, 2019 18:08:07 GMT -5
I can understand why this thread exits and I’ll offer my two cents. I suspect we’re not much of a factor in the stock price in the short term. There are just too many other influences that are more important. If we have any effect, it’s likely to be negative. While that position won’t likely endear me to this board, I caution all to take a longer view.
My motive behind HFM/Vdex is simple and one I’ve stated dozens of times: I want Afrezza to realize its rightful place in the diabetes armamentarium. That place is as the first, and best, therapy. Period. I know this from more prescribing experience than anyone else. We at Vdex literally prescribe it every day. My concern has been that inept management, or worse, could kill this therapy.
So, to the extent I’m critical of management, I’m trying to effect change in the direction of making Afrezza a success. I’m not doing it for sport.
I’m not too focused on the stock price. If Afrezza succeeds to its rightful place, the stock price will more than take care of itself, and all investors. Even those who bought in at the equivalent of $50 a share (like me) will see massive gains.
I know how to make Afrezza a success. That’s easy to say and much harder to do. But, I’ve been working at this for four years and we’ll share some information soon that will make the point for all to see. I also know that management doesn’t seem to understand how to do it. They’ve blown lots of money, destroyed lots of shareholder value in a fruitless effort. So, as a long-suffering shareholder, I’ve spoken out and taken action.
I make no apologies for HFM or my comments. If we’ve hurt MannKind and shareholders, we’ve hurt ourselves since all of us at Vdex own substantial numbers of shares. My last point is this: I’ve seen many other management teams at other companies. Some good some bad. The bad ones never say they’re bad. In fact, the bad ones usually are good at one thing: convincing shareholders they’re actually good. Shareholders need to look out for their investments. Where they see a consistent record of struggle, it’s time to replace management. That’s what HFM is all about.
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 15, 2019 12:18:00 GMT -5
Some pro board members and myself are going to start a private Hope for Mannkind thread, so if anybody’s interested just let me know and we will add you to the discussion ...hopefully I can keep you guys up-to-date on some things, most of you get emails from Bill/HFM but we don’t have any place to discuss it between ourselves and maybe we can even get Bill to pop his head in from time to time :-)
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Post by goyocafe on Sept 15, 2019 12:33:00 GMT -5
Some pro board members and myself are going to start a private Hope for Mannkind thread, so if anybody’s interested just let me know and we will add you to the discussion ...hopefully I can keep you guys up-to-date on some things, most of you get emails from Bill/HFM but we don’t have any place to discuss it between ourselves and maybe we can even get Bill to pop his head in from time to time :-) Please add me to the discussion. Thank you. |
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Post by lifebreath on Sept 15, 2019 13:51:56 GMT -5
Some pro board members and myself are going to start a private Hope for Mannkind thread, so if anybody’s interested just let me know and we will add you to the discussion ...hopefully I can keep you guys up-to-date on some things, most of you get emails from Bill/HFM but we don’t have any place to discuss it between ourselves and maybe we can even get Bill to pop his head in from time to time :-) Please add me to the discussion. Thank you. Great idea, please include me |
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Post by theebavarian on Sept 15, 2019 14:38:45 GMT -5
Some pro board members and myself are going to start a private Hope for Mannkind thread, so if anybody’s interested just let me know and we will add you to the discussion ...hopefully I can keep you guys up-to-date on some things, most of you get emails from Bill/HFM but we don’t have any place to discuss it between ourselves and maybe we can even get Bill to pop his head in from time to time :-) Obviously HFM is not finding the love here on Proboards. My thoughts; if HFM can't convince a "friendly" platform like Proboards into their movement, then what good does it do you to close the discussion? If this goes to a proxy, you're all going to need votes. Securing yourselves into an HFM closet won't get them. You'll get your own votes of course, but no where near the votes you need. You have to PERSUADE, not hide. |
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 15, 2019 15:56:54 GMT -5
Good try, this has nothing to do with not posting stuff about HFM, anybody can do that just like they always have ...this is just a place for people to talk about it privately... they don’t have to be in HFM. I had some requests from members for a private place to talk about it. But you gave me an idea... Down the line we may need to have our own shareholder meetings.
In reality most of the people signed to HFM are not posting on message boards.
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Post by awesomo on Sept 15, 2019 16:40:03 GMT -5
Some pro board members and myself are going to start a private Hope for Mannkind thread, so if anybody’s interested just let me know and we will add you to the discussion ...hopefully I can keep you guys up-to-date on some things, most of you get emails from Bill/HFM but we don’t have any place to discuss it between ourselves and maybe we can even get Bill to pop his head in from time to time :-) Obviously HFM is not finding the love here on Proboards. My thoughts; if HFM can't convince a "friendly" platform like Proboards into their movement, then what good does it do you to close the discussion? If this goes to a proxy, you're all going to need votes. Securing yourselves into an HFM closet won't get them. You'll get your own votes of course, but no where near the votes you need. You have to PERSUADE, not hide. This is a “friendly” place if you think Castagna walks on water. Anyone remotely critical on MannKind gets ganged up on around here. |
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Post by theebavarian on Sept 15, 2019 16:52:44 GMT -5
You're idea is a good one sportsrancho. Let HFM have its own shareholder meeting; and for that matter, let it have its own separate forum too, one completely separate from this one. HFM, and VDEX for its part, has hijacked what was once a Mannkind forum for its own devices. HFM, and again VDEX for its part, has managed to poison and sully what was once a go-to forum for Mannkind information. And to think that our forum moderator allows this... but then again, he is party to it.
And Awesomo, it isn't that way at all. Criticizing the CEO triggers good forum discussion in my mind. It's the seemingly endless HFM pumping from a shareholder fringe that posters like me recoil from. Bill (form VDEX) himself said that HFM is detrimental to Mannkind's share price in the near term, so why is this forum allowing for a fringe group to use the forum as a platform admittedly harmful to Mannkind. And if its harmful to Mannkind, it could very well be harmful to patient's conviction in Mannkind... and thereby in Afrezza.
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