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Post by lifebreath on Sept 15, 2019 17:43:00 GMT -5
You're idea is a good one sportsrancho. Let HFM have its own shareholder meeting; and for that matter, let it have its own separate forum too, one completely separate from this one. HFM, and VDEX for its part, has hijacked what was once a Mannkind forum for its own devices. HFM, and again VDEX for its part, has managed to poison and sully what was once a go-to forum for Mannkind information. And to think that our forum moderator allows this... but then again, he is party to it. And Awesomo, it isn't that way at all. Criticizing the CEO triggers good forum discussion in my mind. It's the seemingly endless HFM pumping from a shareholder fringe that posters like me recoil from. Bill (form VDEX) himself said that HFM is detrimental to share price in the near term, so why is this forum allowing for a fringe group to use the forum as a platform admittedly harmful to Mannkind. And if its harmful to Mannkind, it could very well be harmful to patient's conviction in Mannkind... and thereby in Afrezza. Bavarian you have been on this forum less than 8 weeks. I looked at your post history. You have 35 total post the last 13 (which is all I looked at) undermining or critical of VDEX post, THFM movement or Kovacocy. You obviously have an agenda your post are useless. You have not added one bit of useful commentary or information here. |
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Post by akemp3000 on Sept 15, 2019 17:54:57 GMT -5
Did Bill actually say HFM would be detrimental to share price in the near term? Wonder what makes him think VDex or HFM has become significant enough to have any affect.
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Post by theebavarian on Sept 15, 2019 17:55:45 GMT -5
Did Bill actually say HFM would be detrimental to share price in the near term? Wonder what makes him think VDex or HFM has become significant enough to have any affect. Yes he did. Look above in this thread... |
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 15, 2019 17:59:05 GMT -5
Bavarian does the same thing I believe on Stocktwits.
Anyway this HFM private thread is not to persuade or pump anything it’s just a place where we can discuss things between ourselves, add ideas or ask questions. And not have our discussion end up in Spencer’s comment section posted by rising skeptic. There are people that would rather discuss things with like-minded people privately and that’s why there are many private threads. That’s what they were designed for.
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Post by theebavarian on Sept 15, 2019 18:05:20 GMT -5
You're idea is a good one sportsrancho. Let HFM have its own shareholder meeting; and for that matter, let it have its own separate forum too, one completely separate from this one. HFM, and VDEX for its part, has hijacked what was once a Mannkind forum for its own devices. HFM, and again VDEX for its part, has managed to poison and sully what was once a go-to forum for Mannkind information. And to think that our forum moderator allows this... but then again, he is party to it. And Awesomo, it isn't that way at all. Criticizing the CEO triggers good forum discussion in my mind. It's the seemingly endless HFM pumping from a shareholder fringe that posters like me recoil from. Bill (form VDEX) himself said that HFM is detrimental to share price in the near term, so why is this forum allowing for a fringe group to use the forum as a platform admittedly harmful to Mannkind. And if its harmful to Mannkind, it could very well be harmful to patient's conviction in Mannkind... and thereby in Afrezza. Bavarian you have been on this forum less than 8 weeks. I looked at your post history. You have 35 total post the last 13 (which is all I looked at) undermining or critical of VDEX post, THFM movement or Kovacocy. You obviously have an agenda your post are useless. You have not added one bit of useful commentary or information here. Yes, and proudly. Go look at other's posts too though, like Sportsrancho and several others. Call me out for an agenda? What of theirs? Are you saying that pro-HFM, pro-VDEX (as they relate to HFM), and pro-Kovacocy posts by HFM members provide usefulness and value to the forum and those that are against do not? Is this a forum then reserved for only HFM, anti-CEO shareholders of Mannkind? So it's okay that HFM has obfuscated this forum, and longs that are against this movement should shut up and go elsewhere? |
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 15, 2019 18:34:06 GMT -5
Trip...You do seem to have an agenda, where you’re confusing me is we’re talking about talking about this privately and you’re all upset.
And if you’d been here longer you would know what my posting history is. And that most of my recent posts have been about Nate. But that’s OK because when I posted about him in the past people bitched up a storm about that too. They criticized him, and his record. I didn’t like that either.
Thank you to everyone that has DM to me about the HFM thread and I will get to it as soon as I can next week. I’m done discussing this on this thread.
I might also add that HFM is about creating shareholder value, people just have different ideas on how to do that.
But I think one thing everybody can agree on or will soon, is there’s no doubt Vdex will create shareholder value. JMHO
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Post by lifebreath on Sept 15, 2019 18:53:16 GMT -5
Bavarian you have been on this forum less than 8 weeks. I looked at your post history. You have 35 total post the last 13 (which is all I looked at) undermining or critical of VDEX post, THFM movement or Kovacocy. You obviously have an agenda your post are useless. You have not added one bit of useful commentary or information here. Yes, and proudly. Go look at other's posts too though, like Sportsrancho and several others. Call me out for an agenda? What of theirs? Are you saying that pro-HFM, pro-VDEX (as they relate to HFM), and pro-Kovacocy posts by HFM members provide usefulness and value to the forum and those that are against do not? Is this a forum then reserved for only HFM, anti-CEO shareholders of Mannkind? So it's okay that HFM has obfuscated this forum, and longs that are against this movement should shut up and go elsewhere? Sportsrancho has provided a plethora of information on different topics over the years. You are attempting to redirect the premise of the point I made with my post. You’re post have been of a singular nature hence pushing an agenda. |
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Post by mnholdem on Sept 15, 2019 19:11:54 GMT -5
Bavarian you have been on this forum less than 8 weeks. I looked at your post history. You have 35 total post the last 13 (which is all I looked at) undermining or critical of VDEX post, THFM movement or Kovacocy. You obviously have an agenda your post are useless. You have not added one bit of useful commentary or information here. Yes, and proudly. Go look at other's posts too though, like Sportsrancho and several others. Call me out for an agenda? What of theirs? Are you saying that pro-HFM, pro-VDEX (as they relate to HFM), and pro-Kovacocy posts by HFM members provide usefulness and value to the forum and those that are against do not? Is this a forum then reserved for only HFM, anti-CEO shareholders of Mannkind? So it's okay that HFM has obfuscated this forum, and longs that are against this movement should shut up and go elsewhere? Bavarian, Quite some time ago the ProBoards staff consolidated multiple posts about VDex into its own thread and the same action was taken with HFM posts. While there is occasionally some “leakage” of these topics onto other threads, for the most part, VDex and HFM posts have been contained within their own threads. So your premise that VDex / HFM have taken over ProBoards-MNKD is a bit of an exaggeration. Each entity has its own potential impacts upon MannKind so the threads and posts contained within may be relevant to shareholders. Each shareholder may have his/her opinion and there has been differences of opinions among PB members, but it would have been inappropriate for forum staff to stifle these discussions. There are various topics covered within this forum and many contributions by multiple shareholders and non-shareholders. It’s certainly one of the most diverse and interesting stock discussion forums that I have encountered. |
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Post by mounts on Sept 15, 2019 20:01:44 GMT -5
I can understand why this thread exits and I’ll offer my two cents. I suspect we’re not much of a factor in the stock price in the short term. There are just too many other influences that are more important. If we have any effect, it’s likely to be negative. While that position won’t likely endear me to this board, I caution all to take a longer view. My motive behind HFM/Vdex is simple and one I’ve stated dozens of times: I want Afrezza to realize its rightful place in the diabetes armamentarium. That place is as the first, and best, therapy. Period. I know this from more prescribing experience than anyone else. We at Vdex literally prescribe it every day. My concern has been that inept management, or worse, could kill this therapy. So, to the extent I’m critical of management, I’m trying to effect change in the direction of making Afrezza a success. I’m not doing it for sport. I’m not too focused on the stock price. If Afrezza succeeds to its rightful place, the stock price will more than take care of itself, and all investors. Even those who bought in at the equivalent of $50 a share (like me) will see massive gains. I know how to make Afrezza a success. That’s easy to say and much harder to do. But, I’ve been working at this for four years and we’ll share some information soon that will make the point for all to see. I also know that management doesn’t seem to understand how to do it. They’ve blown lots of money, destroyed lots of shareholder value in a fruitless effort. So, as a long-suffering shareholder, I’ve spoken out and taken action. I make no apologies for HFM or my comments. If we’ve hurt MannKind and shareholders, we’ve hurt ourselves since all of us at Vdex own substantial numbers of shares. My last point is this: I’ve seen many other management teams at other companies. Some good some bad. The bad ones never say they’re bad. In fact, the bad ones usually are good at one thing: convincing shareholders they’re actually good. Shareholders need to look out for their investments. Where they see a consistent record of struggle, it’s time to replace management. That’s what HFM is all about. I doubt there are those that question if VDEX has a genuine commitment and strong passion to see Afrezza succeed. I also doubt that most will deny that Vdex has a treasure trove of prescribing information, patient data and knowledge gained in the course of interacting with a Afrezza users that can be helpful in the overall quest to see Afrezza succeed. What is less clear is how all this translates into insight about corporate management. Outside of Afrezza specific know-how, there is nothing in the Vdex arsenal that gives Vdex an edge over any other business person to make judgment calls about management decisions. How for example, does an opinion on the issue about non-utilized Mannkind rented floor space (featured in a Vdex HfM video) have anything to do with Afrezza prescribing expertise? The Vdex opinion is as good or as bad as anyone elses opinion on the matter. Non of the points Vdex scored on the Afrezza front count towards being a better informed opinion on corporate spend or corporate austerity than anyone elses opinion. For the same matter, Vdex is is no better position than anyone else to determine if slow Afrezza growth is a result of failed executive leadership or if it's a result of entrenched negative perceptions in the medical community about Afrezza and inhaled insulin, that took root before current management was even hired. Furthermore, from my vantage point, the fact that Vdex allowed itself to become associated with Michael Kovacocy through HfM, raises big questions on Vdex's judgement abilities if has what it takes to qualify CEO performance, since it qualified Michael Kovacocy to take a forward position in HfM. |
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Post by theebavarian on Sept 16, 2019 9:58:18 GMT -5
Yes, and proudly. Go look at other's posts too though, like Sportsrancho and several others. Call me out for an agenda? What of theirs? Are you saying that pro-HFM, pro-VDEX (as they relate to HFM), and pro-Kovacocy posts by HFM members provide usefulness and value to the forum and those that are against do not? Is this a forum then reserved for only HFM, anti-CEO shareholders of Mannkind? So it's okay that HFM has obfuscated this forum, and longs that are against this movement should shut up and go elsewhere? Sportsrancho has provided a plethora of information on different topics over the years. You are attempting to redirect the premise of the point I made with my post. You’re post have been of a singular nature hence pushing an agenda. I'm not sure what you are insinuating. Agenda? Sportsrancho and others have an agenda in promoting HFM. I am a long-time shareholder who is not on board with HFM, so I communicate that and debate key points made by HFM members. I guess that's my only agenda. If you're insinuating that I'm somehow involved in some other way, like Kovacocy's claim of Mannkind employees being involved, then that certainly is not the case. I am only a shareholder who doesn't think HFM is good for Mannkind short or long term. |
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Post by peppy on Sept 16, 2019 10:00:45 GMT -5
Sportsrancho has provided a plethora of information on different topics over the years. You are attempting to redirect the premise of the point I made with my post. You’re post have been of a singular nature hence pushing an agenda. I'm not sure what you are insinuating. Agenda? Sportsrancho and others have an agenda in promoting HFM. I am a long-time shareholder who is not on board with HFM, so I communicate that and debate key points made by HFM members. I guess that's my only agenda. If you're insinuating that I'm somehow involved in some other way, like Kovacocy's claim of Mannkind employees being involved, then that certainly is not the case. I am only a shareholder who doesn't think HFM is good for Mannkind short or long term.along with the 76% of us that voted. |
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Post by sportsrancho on Sept 16, 2019 10:40:38 GMT -5
I don’t have any agenda other and hoping the stock price goes up. I don’t mind being in the 25% that believes there’s another way to bring out shareholder value ..we all have different ideas. so what🤷♀️
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Post by mounts on Sept 16, 2019 11:21:08 GMT -5
Sportsrancho has provided a plethora of information on different topics over the years. You are attempting to redirect the premise of the point I made with my post. You’re post have been of a singular nature hence pushing an agenda. I'm not sure what you are insinuating. Agenda? Sportsrancho and others have an agenda in promoting HFM. I am a long-time shareholder who is not on board with HFM, so I communicate that and debate key points made by HFM members. I guess that's my only agenda. If you're insinuating that I'm somehow involved in some other way, like Kovacocy's claim of Mannkind employees being involved, then that certainly is not the case. I am only a shareholder who doesn't think HFM is good for Mannkind short or long term. It's not just Michael Kovocacy claiming that anyone standing up to HfM is a Mannkind employee. Lifebreath does so not just by insinuation, but quite explicitly. So I think it's a fair assumption that Lifebreath finds it hard to come to terms that there are shareholders who are disgusted with what HfM is doing. Speaking for myself, I am a shareholder with a significant amount invested in MNKD and I also convinced quite a few others to invest as well. I therefore find this forum very useful and informative even if I hardly posted up until HfM and Michael Kovocacy started acting up and the noise they were making totally outsized their bulk, drowning out reason with tub-thumping cliches and incendiary accusations of parasitic behavior. So like thebavarian, other than perhaps one exception, most of my posts are also about challenging Michael Kovocacy's assertions that he is empowered by shareholders. While I'm OK to be a silent consumer of information on this great forum, I find it necessary to speak out when HfM and Michael Kovocacy are being so destructive and arrogant in the name of shareholders. I assume the same holds for others in this forum who posted mostly about challenging and muting HfM and Michael Kovocacy. |
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