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Post by anderson on Dec 13, 2019 12:22:00 GMT -5
Afrezza pricing finally announced in Brazil. The official prices in Brazilian Reals (US dollars in parentheses) are:
8U X 90 70.63 ($17.14) 12U X 90 1 05.95 ($25.71) 4U X 60, 8U X 30 47.09 ($11.43) 4U X 30, 8U X 60 58.86 ($14.29) 8U X 60, 12U X 30 82.41 ($20.00) 4U X 90, 8U X 90 105.95 ($25.71) These are “factory prices” and represent the maximum amount Biomm can charge any pharmacy for the product. MNKD is paid from the factory price.
The maximum price that can be charged to consumers depends on the state in which they live since the controlled prices include all taxes. However, for reference the 12U X 90 pack has a maximum consumer price of 209.11 ($50.77) in the states with the highest tax rate, so about double the factory price. The difference between the “factory price” and the “maximum consumer price” goes to sales taxes, import duty on foreign medicines, and includes a retail markup of approximately 32% for the pharmacy.
For reference, GoodRx shows a lowest price for the 12U x 90 kit of $1,020 at Costco, so Brazil prices are about 2.5% of US prices for the consumer.
Where did you find the pricing? I didnt see it in portal.anvisa.gov.br/documents/374947/2829072/LISTA_CONFORMIDADE_GOV_2019-12-10_v2.pdf/6161d1a2-8f1a-4714-9608-d350a1d6990c l |
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Post by mango on Dec 13, 2019 13:11:28 GMT -5
China is authoritarian and literally tries to control every aspect of peoples lives. It’s not safe to assume anything when it comes to China. More than likely (exaggerating but not), the Chinese govt will be the ones who decides whether or not each PWD is allow to purchase Afrezza. They have facial recognition scans in public bathrooms just for dispensing toilet paper. 😏 Not an ideal country to do business with. Are you serious? Have you been to China before? Chinese purchased about 70% of world luxury items. as regarding to facial recognition, now they can use facial recognition to pay for merchandise or board flights, etc, wouldn't that be better than showing your driver license? It would be truly dumb to ignore that market. I’m serious. No, I would never want to live in a country that treated me the way the Chinese govt treats their citizens. |
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Post by shawnonafrezza on Dec 13, 2019 14:08:33 GMT -5
China is authoritarian and literally tries to control every aspect of peoples lives. It’s not safe to assume anything when it comes to China. More than likely (exaggerating but not), the Chinese govt will be the ones who decides whether or not each PWD is allow to purchase Afrezza. They have facial recognition scans in public bathrooms just for dispensing toilet paper. 😏 Not an ideal country to do business with. Are you serious? Have you been to China before? Chinese purchased about 70% of world luxury items. as regarding to facial recognition, now they can use facial recognition to pay for merchandise or board flights, etc, wouldn't that be better than showing your driver license? It would be truly dumb to ignore that market. Considering how things are going in HK with the racial recognition... there are reasons cities in the US are already banning it. The more data points you can get (credit cards, cameras, phones, computer usage identification via ip/cookies/mouse movements) the easier it is to be fully tracked without consent on a massive scale. That is a horrible thing. |
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Post by rfogel on Dec 13, 2019 15:09:22 GMT -5
Afrezza pricing finally announced in Brazil. The official prices in Brazilian Reals (US dollars in parentheses) are:
8U X 90 70.63 ($17.14) 12U X 90 1 05.95 ($25.71) 4U X 60, 8U X 30 47.09 ($11.43) 4U X 30, 8U X 60 58.86 ($14.29) 8U X 60, 12U X 30 82.41 ($20.00) 4U X 90, 8U X 90 105.95 ($25.71) These are “factory prices” and represent the maximum amount Biomm can charge any pharmacy for the product. MNKD is paid from the factory price.
The maximum price that can be charged to consumers depends on the state in which they live since the controlled prices include all taxes. However, for reference the 12U X 90 pack has a maximum consumer price of 209.11 ($50.77) in the states with the highest tax rate, so about double the factory price. The difference between the “factory price” and the “maximum consumer price” goes to sales taxes, import duty on foreign medicines, and includes a retail markup of approximately 32% for the pharmacy.
For reference, GoodRx shows a lowest price for the 12U x 90 kit of $1,020 at Costco, so Brazil prices are about 2.5% of US prices for the consumer.
Where did you find the pricing? I didnt see it in portal.anvisa.gov.br/documents/374947/2829072/LISTA_CONFORMIDADE_GOV_2019-12-10_v2.pdf/6161d1a2-8f1a-4714-9608-d350a1d6990c l While I was able to find fiasp, I couldn't find afrezza either. |
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Post by matt on Dec 13, 2019 17:55:07 GMT -5
The prices for Afrezza are no longer there. I noticed that the Excel spreadsheet that gets downloaded today is named:
xls_conformidade_2019_12_10_v2.xls
Notice the "v2" at the end. The one I took those prices from must have been version 1, but the prices were in there a few days ago. I don't know why there was a second version published or why Afrezza was part of the first release but not the second. However, several of us saw it in the first day after it was posted.
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Post by mnkdfann on Dec 13, 2019 17:59:31 GMT -5
The prices for Afrezza are no longer there. I noticed that the Excel spreadsheet that gets downloaded today is named: xls_conformidade_2019_12_10_v2.xls Notice the "v2" at the end. The one I took those prices from must have been version 1, but the prices were in there a few days ago. I don't know why there was a second version published or why Afrezza was part of the first release but not the second. However, several of us saw it in the first day after it was posted. Of course, that would happen with Mannkind's product! It would have been too straightforward, otherwise. What now? Let the conspiracy theories begin ... |
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Post by mango on Dec 13, 2019 18:56:12 GMT -5
The prices for Afrezza are no longer there. I noticed that the Excel spreadsheet that gets downloaded today is named: xls_conformidade_2019_12_10_v2.xls Notice the "v2" at the end. The one I took those prices from must have been version 1, but the prices were in there a few days ago. I don't know why there was a second version published or why Afrezza was part of the first release but not the second. However, several of us saw it in the first day after it was posted. Of course, that would happen with Mannkind's product! It would have been too straightforward, otherwise. What now? Let the conspiracy theories begin ... My guess it was the Chinese. 😉 |
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Post by awesomo on Dec 13, 2019 18:57:51 GMT -5
Of course, that would happen with Mannkind's product! It would have been too straightforward, otherwise. What now? Let the conspiracy theories begin ...  |
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Post by rfogel on Dec 13, 2019 22:43:06 GMT -5
Of course, that would happen with Mannkind's product! It would have been too straightforward, otherwise. What now? Let the conspiracy theories begin ... My guess it was the Chinese. 😉 No, has to be the Ukrainians. |
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Post by mnkdfann on Dec 13, 2019 22:51:04 GMT -5
The prices for Afrezza are no longer there. I noticed that the Excel spreadsheet that gets downloaded today is named: xls_conformidade_2019_12_10_v2.xls Notice the "v2" at the end. The one I took those prices from must have been version 1, but the prices were in there a few days ago. I don't know why there was a second version published or why Afrezza was part of the first release but not the second. However, several of us saw it in the first day after it was posted. If it's not too much trouble, how different are the spreadsheets? Do they appear to differ (e.g. by line count) by much more than would be accounted for by the Afrezza deletion alone? |
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Post by sportsrancho on Dec 14, 2019 4:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Dec 14, 2019 11:04:08 GMT -5
The prices for Afrezza are no longer there. I noticed that the Excel spreadsheet that gets downloaded today is named: xls_conformidade_2019_12_10_v2.xls Notice the "v2" at the end. The one I took those prices from must have been version 1, but the prices were in there a few days ago. I don't know why there was a second version published or why Afrezza was part of the first release but not the second. However, several of us saw it in the first day after it was posted. If it's not too much trouble, how different are the spreadsheets? Do they appear to differ (e.g. by line count) by much more than would be accounted for by the Afrezza deletion alone? opini I didn't keep a copy of version 1 so I can't answer the question. However, the spreadsheet covers EVERY drug and dosing combination in Brazil and its runs nearly 26,000 rows. I assume somebody made an administrative error and this is not directed at MNKD in particular, but opinions may differ on that point. The post above from Sportsrancho shows part of the sheet, in this case the first column is the "factory price" plus some additional amount which I think is equivalent to the ICMP charge (an extra tax on imported drugs not applied to domestic production). Maybe there is a version 3 in our future, but the prices that were announced are consistent with Brazil's stated goals to limit the import of drugs otherwise available from local producers and to control prices to keep them in line with similar products already on the market. Note that a 10ml vial of 100U recombinant insulin from a local producer is only about $6 so it looks like CMED is enforcing their rules. |
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Post by slugworth008 on Dec 14, 2019 12:04:25 GMT -5
Of course, that would happen with Mannkind's product! It would have been too straightforward, otherwise. What now? Let the conspiracy theories begin ... My guess it was the Chinese. 😉 C'mon - we all know it was the Russians ;O |
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Post by matt on Dec 14, 2019 14:00:36 GMT -5
My guess it was the Chinese. 😉 C'mon - we all know it was the Russians ;O Now we know why Epstein was killed. The timing is too perfect, just sayin. |
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Post by lennymnkd on Dec 14, 2019 15:33:29 GMT -5
Could of been a couple of people on this board 😉
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