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Post by pointman229 on Aug 13, 2014 14:07:30 GMT -5
This being my first post, so am bit nervous. I looked into the details of Sanofi/Regeneron partnership agreement for antibody commercialization, and it seemed comparable to what we have at hand: 65%-55% profit sharing depending on sales milestone, and $1 billion invested for antibody r&d over 8 years. Thats little under $130million annual. Not looking too deep into details, but at the first glance MNKD doesn't have it so bad?
" Development costs for drug candidates co-developed by the parties will be shared, with sanofi-aventis funding development costs up front and Regeneron reimbursing half of the development costs for all collaboration drug candidates from Regeneron's share of future profits from commercialization of collaboration products to the extent future profits are sufficient for this purpose. In the United States, profits will be shared equally, while outside the United States, profits will be split on a pre-determined sliding scale with sanofi-aventis' share ranging from 65 percent to 55 percent.
For any products successfully developed as part of the collaboration, sanofi-aventis will take the lead in commercialization activities and will consolidate the sales. Regeneron will have the right to co-promote any and all collaboration products worldwide. In addition, Regeneron is entitled to receive up to a total of $250 million of sales milestone payments when collaboration products achieve certain aggregate annual ex-U.S. sales levels, starting at $1 billion."
This is a 2009 expansion on top of the original agreement formed in 2007 I think...
Still learning, and will appreciate feedback, scrutiny. Thank you in advance!!
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Post by novafett on Aug 13, 2014 14:35:46 GMT -5
Wanted to make a comment / ask a question and this seems as good of a thread as any. Went over to "another board" which is full of idiots, loons, and pump/dumpers but one question that stood out to me that I'd like hear hear folks thoughts on is the balance sheet question. If MNKD is 1B in the hole how does this deal help them get out? I've read other posts discussing their debt but don't recall if a majority of that is owed to Al and could be considered a wash or if all 1B is on top of what Al put into it. Anyway, i'm a fairly 'green' investor so i could be just talking nonsense. If so feel free to tell me
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Aug 13, 2014 14:50:44 GMT -5
Wanted to make a comment / ask a question and this seems as good of a thread as any. Went over to "another board" which is full of idiots, loons, and pump/dumpers but one question that stood out to me that I'd like hear hear folks thoughts on is the balance sheet question. If MNKD is 1B in the hole how does this deal help them get out? I've read other posts discussing their debt but don't recall if a majority of that is owed to Al and could be considered a wash or if all 1B is on top of what Al put into it. Anyway, i'm a fairly 'green' investor so i could be just talking nonsense. If so feel free to tell me Where are you coming up with $1B? Was someone implying they owe that much? Which they do not. If you're talking about negative retained earnings, it's even more than a billion... but at this point that's water under the bridge that has manifested as dilution.
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Post by jpg on Aug 13, 2014 14:55:32 GMT -5
Wanted to make a comment / ask a question and this seems as good of a thread as any. Went over to "another board" which is full of idiots, loons, and pump/dumpers but one question that stood out to me that I'd like hear hear folks thoughts on is the balance sheet question. If MNKD is 1B in the hole how does this deal help them get out? I've read other posts discussing their debt but don't recall if a majority of that is owed to Al and could be considered a wash or if all 1B is on top of what Al put into it. Anyway, i'm a fairly 'green' investor so i could be just talking nonsense. If so feel free to tell me I am not a 'balance sheet guy' but Mannkind no longer has any cash flow problems and Mannkind certainly isn't 1 billion in the hole! A lot of the remaining debt also converts or potentially converts to shares (6.5$ or so being the price the stock must be above to make this work if I recall correctly). In my opinion the 'heavy debt load' argument is given by people who don't do a lot of biotech stuff, aren't informed or are simply lying. As far as I am comcerned I think those who use this cash flow/ debt load argument can now safely and easily be put into the 'ignore category'. JPG
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Post by novafett on Aug 13, 2014 15:07:40 GMT -5
Thanks dream & jpg. I should have just gone else where when this board seemed slow and thus not picked up any more 'gossip & slander' from the Yboards. Good to hear that was incorrect rubbish and i shall not be repeating it. Still learning a TON about biotech and investing in general so i'll keep on reading
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