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Post by rey on Nov 11, 2015 13:47:11 GMT -5
2016 will be the MNKD year!
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Post by EveningOfTheDay on Nov 11, 2015 14:22:54 GMT -5
Look, if MNKDs chances rest completely on financing that can be affected by shorts actions, then they, and we, are f... As of now it would seem that, just as in the past several years other than for a brief stint after approval, the shorts are completely in control of this stock. It is pretty obvious that this attack served purposes in several fronts,
1.- it erodes credibility of management, even if it turn that the rumor was just that, a rumor.
2.- it creates more panic, so the stock goes on free fall. Even if the rumor is proven false, fewer investors will buy back in or just buy in. Uncertainty at this point is all people see.
3.- It greatly limits Mannkind options for financing. If the stock does not recover to the 2.5 area, which I do not see happening, the influx of capital from the offering in TASE will be greatly reduced, effectively shortening the life of the company.
I used to think shorts would create enough confusion to bring this down to where they could cover comfortably, knowing that their buying would not bring the stock back up immediately. I used to think there was iso way they could bring the company into bankruptcy. Now I am not so sure. Now I am thinking they might be set in destroying the company all together. The question is, can Mannkind get in front of the game long enough to win?
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Post by hammer on Nov 11, 2015 14:24:28 GMT -5
2016 will be the MNKD year! Does anybody here believe that Mannkind will be bankrupt? Does anybody here feel that in the course of bankruptcy that SNY would just be allowed to waltz right in and take possession of the intellectual property without a fight from a multitude of BP who would benefit from not only Afrezza but technosphere? Does anyone here believe that AL would let Afrezza and technoshphere both die without stepping in to provide assistance to keep them afloat for a limited period of time?
Im not saying that we have no financial obstacles, we do. They are not insurmountable.
This is how the negotiation game is played in the big leagues. Who has the most to gain. That's right SNY, they want it but they don't want the price. They are big guns, and will slap AL and us around until a concession is agreed upon. Time is on SNY side not MNKD, unless they secure enough financing to ultimately force SNY to increase marketing effort.
One last question for those who have done their D/D on technosphere. Everyone is calling for the demise of MNKD today, but if MNKD severed the deal and placed themselves on the auction block for 5 billion do you think they would have any offers in the BP world, or China? IMHO the stakes are a bit higher.
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mnkdnyc
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Sentiment: Long
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Post by mnkdnyc on Nov 11, 2015 14:25:16 GMT -5
2012 was the year of mnkd, 2013 was the year of mnkd,2014 ..... , 2015... and now 2015. I think this horse has been beaten beyond recognition. Turn out the lights. My options are worthless once again. No mas for me.
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Post by mssciguy on Nov 11, 2015 14:25:44 GMT -5
Look, if MNKDs chances rest completely on financing that can be affected by shorts actions, then they, and we, are f... As of now it would seem that, just as in the past several years other than for a brief sting after approval, the shorts are completely in control of this stock. It is pretty obvious that this attack served purposes in several fronts, 1.- it erodes credibility of management, even if it turn that the rumor was just that, a rumor. 2.- it creates more panic, so the stock goes on free fall. Even if the rumor is proven false, fewer investors will buy back in or just buy in. Uncertainty at this point all people see. 3.- It greatly limits Mannkind options for financing. If the stock does not recover to the 2.5 area, which I do not see happening, the influx of capital from the offering in TASE will be greatly reduced, effectively shortening the life of the company. I used to think shorts would create enough confusion to bring this down to where they could cover comfortably, knowing that their buying would not bring the stock back up immediately. I used to think there was iso way they could bring the company into bankruptcy. Now I am not so sure. Now I am thinking they might be set in destroying the company all together. The question is, can Mannkind get in front of the game long enough to win? All that mgmt needs to do is hire a good securities lawyer. Someone who knows the inner workings of SEC, GS... file a whistleblower lawsuit and give the proceeds to the victims (you and me). |
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Post by mssciguy on Nov 11, 2015 14:27:25 GMT -5
2012 was the year of mnkd, 2013 was the year of mnkd,2014 ..... , 2015... and now 2015. I think this horse has been beaten beyond recognition. Turn out the lights. My options are worthless once again. No mas for me. You raise an excellent point. Maybe it's not about the common stock at all, but about defrauding option and warrant holders. Please report your loss to SEC via their website, submit a tip...... you can leave contact details. Who knows maybe you'll be eligible for something. |
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Post by jefferson on Nov 11, 2015 14:28:34 GMT -5
2016 will be the MNKD year! Does anybody here believe that Mannkind will be bankrupt? Does anybody here feel that in the course of bankruptcy that SNY would just be allowed to waltz right in and take possession of the intellectual property without a fight from a multitude of BP who would benefit from not only Afrezza but technosphere? Does anyone here believe that AL would let Afrezza and technoshphere both die without stepping in to provide assistance to keep them afloat for a limited period of time?
Im not saying that we have no financial obstacles, we do. They are not insurmountable.
This is how the negotiation game is played in the big leagues. Who has the most to gain. That's right SNY, they want it but they don't want the price. They are big guns, and will slap AL and us around until a concession is agreed upon. Time is on SNY side not MNKD, unless they secure enough financing to ultimately force SNY to increase marketing effort.
One last question for those who have done their D/D on technosphere. Everyone is calling for the demise of MNKD today, but if MNKD severed the deal and placed themselves on the auction block for 5 billion do you think they would have any offers in the BP world, or China? IMHO the stakes are a bit higher.
Exactly. thats why I bought more this morning. |
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Post by suebeeee1 on Nov 11, 2015 14:31:59 GMT -5
MNKD may not be in the green today but I sure am. Up nearly 13% from where I bought during the panic.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still down huge, but this felt SOOO much like the hours before ADCOM approval, I wasn't going to get sucked in again.
What is the future of this company when the big boys of wall street are working so hard to beat it down?
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Post by peppy on Nov 11, 2015 14:33:49 GMT -5
2016 will be the MNKD year! Does anybody here believe that Mannkind will be bankrupt? Does anybody here feel that in the course of bankruptcy that SNY would just be allowed to waltz right in and take possession of the intellectual property without a fight from a multitude of BP who would benefit from not only Afrezza but technosphere? Does anyone here believe that AL would let Afrezza and technoshphere both die without stepping in to provide assistance to keep them afloat for a limited period of time?
Im not saying that we have no financial obstacles, we do. They are not insurmountable.
This is how the negotiation game is played in the big leagues. Who has the most to gain. That's right SNY, they want it but they don't want the price. They are big guns, and will slap AL and us around until a concession is agreed upon. Time is on SNY side not MNKD, unless they secure enough financing to ultimately force SNY to increase marketing effort.
One last question for those who have done their D/D on technosphere. Everyone is calling for the demise of MNKD today, but if MNKD severed the deal and placed themselves on the auction block for 5 billion do you think they would have any offers in the BP world, or China? IMHO the stakes are a bit higher.
It is my understanding dr Mann holds a large stake. What he might do is ok a sale.
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Post by EveningOfTheDay on Nov 11, 2015 14:36:54 GMT -5
All that mgmt needs to do is hire a good securities lawyer. Someone who knows the inner workings of SEC, GS... file a whistleblower lawsuit and give the proceeds to the victims (you and me). I hear you and I really wish it was that easy, but I do not think it is. Anything involving lawyers will take years and years, and perhaps tie in resources and money that MNKD needs for its basic survival. I still refuse to believe that a company with such a great product and potential could be forced to go bankrupt, but apparently I am slowly and painfully being proved wrong. |
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Post by mssciguy on Nov 11, 2015 14:46:24 GMT -5
All that mgmt needs to do is hire a good securities lawyer. Someone who knows the inner workings of SEC, GS... file a whistleblower lawsuit and give the proceeds to the victims (you and me). I hear you and I really wish it was that easy, but I do not think it is. Anything involving lawyers will take years and years, and perhaps tie in resources and money that MNKD needs for its basic survival. I still refuse to believe that a company with such a great product and potential could be forced to go bankrupt, but apparently I am slowly and painfully being proved wrong. You might want to check out the stocktwits and ymb streams -- a few good nuggets there day, to summarize: long-term technical analysis (past decade) suggest we just hit a bottom that occurs every few years, and will now possibly triple again. Another: Al set up a sale to Israeli firms for $2.00 per share back in 2012 (coincidence that the price is back to that point prior to another sale?). We won't know what's happening until it's all over. I am holding despite being down. All of my shares in an IRA. I would NEVER loan my shares to shorts. Those of you who have loaned out your shares, SHAME ON YOU. Please stop this nonsense. |
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Post by jeremg on Nov 11, 2015 14:46:51 GMT -5
Does anybody here believe that Mannkind will be bankrupt? Does anybody here feel that in the course of bankruptcy that SNY would just be allowed to waltz right in and take possession of the intellectual property without a fight from a multitude of BP who would benefit from not only Afrezza but technosphere? Does anyone here believe that AL would let Afrezza and technoshphere both die without stepping in to provide assistance to keep them afloat for a limited period of time?
Im not saying that we have no financial obstacles, we do. They are not insurmountable.
This is how the negotiation game is played in the big leagues. Who has the most to gain. That's right SNY, they want it but they don't want the price. They are big guns, and will slap AL and us around until a concession is agreed upon. Time is on SNY side not MNKD, unless they secure enough financing to ultimately force SNY to increase marketing effort.
One last question for those who have done their D/D on technosphere. Everyone is calling for the demise of MNKD today, but if MNKD severed the deal and placed themselves on the auction block for 5 billion do you think they would have any offers in the BP world, or China? IMHO the stakes are a bit higher.
It is my understanding dr Mann holds a large stake. What he might do is ok a sale.
I pray that Al finally allows a sale of the company. We should be able to fetch a price where we all make money (including Al) and Afrezza will finally be given a real shot under SNY or another BP without these games being played between WS and MNKD with Afrezza like the child battered in the middle. Everybody would win! On the other hand if Al wants to fight this until the end, I'm sticking with him but with the knowledge that there is a very real chance WS could sabotage us until there's nothing left and we're forced into a purgatory of cycling between funding operations and continuous dilution. |
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Post by hammer on Nov 11, 2015 14:49:10 GMT -5
Keep in mind. If my memory serves me correctly, Al has 140 million or so on the sidelines from the sale of his industrial park in Valencia. Not the corporate HQ but the park owned were Mann Foundation is HQ. Charity starts at home.
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Post by mindovermatter on Nov 11, 2015 14:54:07 GMT -5
Keep in mind. If my memory serves me correctly, Al has 140 million or so on the sidelines from the sale of his industrial park in Valencia. Not the corporate HQ but the park owned were Mann Foundation is HQ. Charity starts at home. Reading the 10Q tells us that if Al sells the Valencia HQs, the proceeds have to be used to pay off Sanofi. The money can not be used for anything else other than that. |
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Post by EveningOfTheDay on Nov 11, 2015 15:01:51 GMT -5
You might want to check out the stocktwits and ymb streams -- a few good nuggets there day, to summarize: long-term technical analysis (past decade) suggest we just hit a bottom that occurs every few years, and will now possibly triple again. Another: Al set up a sale to Israeli firms for $2.00 per share back in 2012 (coincidence that the price is back to that point prior to another sale?). We won't know what's happening until it's all over. I am holding despite being down. All of my shares in an IRA. I would NEVER loan my shares to shorts. Those of you who have loaned out your shares, SHAME ON YOU. Please stop this nonsense. Thanks Mssciguy. I have to recognize that I never visit the Yazoo board anymore. To much garbage to roam through. However, I will agree with you that everything that happens around this company is extremely unusual. I, personally, have never seen anything like it, but I normally stick to less risky sectors, usually technology and finance. As for lending your shares, I am not lending mine either right now, incredibly enough, I sleep better that way. However, I do not judge, but understand people that decide to lend theirs. |
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