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Post by bradleysbest on Nov 12, 2015 15:33:07 GMT -5
Maybe something is coming down the pike & it will be good....
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Post by compound26 on Nov 12, 2015 15:33:36 GMT -5
I guess Mannkind isplaying the same (hard to figure out) game then the shorts are playing? This is confusing to say the least. We are not informed as to anyones playbook so how do survive this type of game of chess? Is Mannkind deaperate or outsmarting the shorts? I certainly have no clue but I think we will soon find out. Fascinating stuff! This is the most fascinating stock I've ever held, Sherlock Holmes himself wouldn't be able to figure out the next move. Hopefully Al is our Holmes. I was thinking maybe we can get some of the best known authors to write a book on Mannkind's history so far. Perhaps we can have another blockbuster like "Barbarians at the Gate" or "The Great Short". Maybe a film will be made someday as well. Mannkind's history is so intriguing, with interesting characters like Martin Shkreli, Adam F and the insider trading at FDA. One candidate I am thinking of is Barry Werth, who wrote "The Antidote: Inside the World of New Pharma" and "The Billion-Dollar Molecule: The Quest for the Perfect Drug", both were about Vertex, a bio-tech company.
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Post by jeremg on Nov 12, 2015 15:38:02 GMT -5
This is the most fascinating stock I've ever held, Sherlock Holmes himself wouldn't be able to figure out the next move. Hopefully Al is our Holmes. I was thinking maybe we can get some of the best known authors to write a book on Mannkind's history so far. Perhaps we can have another blockbuster like "Barbarians at the Gate" or "The Great Short". Maybe a film will be made someday as well. Mannkind's history is so intriguing, with interesting characters like Martin Shkreli, Adam F and the insider trading at FDA. One candidate I am thinking of is Barry Werth, who wrote "The Antidote: Inside the World of New Pharma" and "The Billion-Dollar Molecule: The Quest for the Perfect Drug", both were about Vertex, a bio-tech company. I movie on Al Mann alone would be fascinating, couple that with the story of MNKD - WS, corruption, greed etc. - and you'd have a blockbuster film to pair well with a blockbuster drug. Maybe they can include free golden tickets in each box of Afrezza as a promotional. I really think if any justice finds this stock, it'll make a great case study of criminal manipulation and conspiracy on WS.
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Post by jefferson on Nov 12, 2015 15:41:26 GMT -5
Steevill -
your 'objective' opinion annoys some. As long as it is anchored in reality I find it absurd to not listen. You don't have the ability to influence my holdings. And so far your posts are abrasive, but your points aren't easily discredited. theres A LOT of noise on this site. Especially of late. whatever. bring it.
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Post by rockstarrick on Nov 12, 2015 15:42:30 GMT -5
It does seem weird that they handled the debt by paying cash... But, I really always do fallback on what we don't know. Look at it this way, my companies don't have billion dollar market caps, but I also don't telegraph our moves to anyone, whether it be the competition, the market etc. Its not hard to see why MNKD doesn't announce every single thing they are doing. They have a huge target on their backs. I love how they didn't respond yesterday to AF. Yeah it shook the market, but by not responding to that piece of garbage they set a precedent that they're not going to get involved in this garbage. We don't know whats going on behind the scenes. I'm totally cool with that. I am confident that everyone involved in this company, whether it be SFY, Matt, Hakan, etc aren't f'ing around and trying to waste money and time. Sanofi partnered for a reason. The slow rollout doesn't seem strange to me, in fact, it seems smart for all the reasons that have been beat to death on here. That hasn't changed for me, as the paranoia of the market changes. Its what keeps me calm when everyone else is selling. We still have plenty of time for this to work out. Al is not going to let this company go BK. Let Fuckstein and his friends suck each other off and spin BS. sucks if you get caught up in it, but if you do your DD, like the a lot of others on this board have, then you can be confident. Science is great, diabetes still exists, ask a diabetic you know if they would rather use a needle or a faster acting inhaler. lets let the companies that have made multi billions for themselves marketing pharmaceuticals figure out when to release an ad and how to educate doctors. you know, their job. There are strong cards both MNKD and SFY are holding close to their chest. Because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. But the dips. breathe. Have a great day! Agree with everything you said, Mannkind Management is doing a great job IMO. Look at the difference in shareholder morale between yesterday after AF blatantly lied, and today. That was Management !!! They handled it beautifully. EOM
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Post by mnholdem on Nov 12, 2015 15:43:19 GMT -5
That's correct and since NASDAQ is not open on Sunday, all the ETFs from the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange (TASE) must buy those shares today and tomorrow. Hee-hee! That is what I mentioned in a previous post in this thread... Did the bear attack and misleading information spouted yesterday let these funds buy cheap calls so that they can actually execute the calls tomorrow on expiration day without raising the stock price too high with their huge purchases? Will they be getting shares not through trades on the "open market" but through the derivatives? Today's volume on the Nov 20 $2 calls was a staggering 13,125 contracts (13,125,000 shares). However, there is only 5,507 left in open interest, so the high volume apparently was for closing positions today - with premiums of $0.70-$1.32 over the day's trading, so the contracts were executed costing a total of $2.70 - $3.32 + commissions.
The problem is that there are no longer that many of tomorrow's call contracts left under $3 for the owners to execute.
Still, some really good thinking.
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Post by stevil on Nov 12, 2015 15:48:23 GMT -5
This is the most fascinating stock I've ever held, Sherlock Holmes himself wouldn't be able to figure out the next move. Hopefully Al is our Holmes. I was thinking maybe we can get some of the best known authors to write a book on Mannkind's history so far. Perhaps we can have another blockbuster like "Barbarians at the Gate" or "The Great Short". Maybe a film will be made someday as well. Mannkind's history is so intriguing, with interesting characters like Martin Shkreli, Adam F and the insider trading at FDA. One candidate I am thinking of is Barry Werth, who wrote "The Antidote: Inside the World of New Pharma" and "The Billion-Dollar Molecule: The Quest for the Perfect Drug", both were about Vertex, a bio-tech company. It really is bizarre to me how such a small company can garner so much attention. And be stocked with fanatics on either side. This truly is a battleground stock and I'm not really even sure why. New, disruptive medications come out all the time. What gave MNKD the target on its back?
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Post by cathode on Nov 12, 2015 15:50:53 GMT -5
That is what I mentioned in a previous post in this thread... Did the bear attack and misleading information spouted yesterday let these funds buy cheap calls so that they can actually execute the calls tomorrow on expiration day without raising the stock price too high with their huge purchases? Will they be getting shares not through trades on the "open market" but through the derivatives? Today's volume on the Nov 20 $2 calls was a staggering 13,125 contracts (13,125,000 shares). However, there is only 5,507 left in open interest, so the high volume apparently was for closing positions today - with premiums of $0.70-$1.32 over the day's trading, so the contracts were executed costing a total of $2.70 - $3.32 + commissions.
The problem is that there are no longer that many of tomorrow's call contracts left under $3 for the owners to execute.
Still, some really good thinking.
Wow, so it looks like tomorrow is really going to be insane. Thanks for the info.
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Post by stevil on Nov 12, 2015 15:52:08 GMT -5
Steevill - your 'objective' opinion annoys some. As long as it is anchored in reality I find it absurd to not listen. You don't have the ability to influence my holdings. And so far your posts are abrasive, but your points aren't easily discredited. theres A LOT of noise on this site. Especially of late. whatever. bring it. Ya, I'm trying my best to tone it down a little, but it gets difficult for a couple reasons. First, I get defensive, but then it gets fun messing with people after a while. PM me and call me out though if I ever step out of line. I'm really not a bad guy and I want to contribute all the knowledge I already have and all I'm acquiring to this board.
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Post by stevil on Nov 12, 2015 15:53:48 GMT -5
It does seem weird that they handled the debt by paying cash... But, I really always do fallback on what we don't know. Look at it this way, my companies don't have billion dollar market caps, but I also don't telegraph our moves to anyone, whether it be the competition, the market etc. Its not hard to see why MNKD doesn't announce every single thing they are doing. They have a huge target on their backs. I love how they didn't respond yesterday to AF. Yeah it shook the market, but by not responding to that piece of garbage they set a precedent that they're not going to get involved in this garbage. We don't know whats going on behind the scenes. I'm totally cool with that. I am confident that everyone involved in this company, whether it be SFY, Matt, Hakan, etc aren't f'ing around and trying to waste money and time. Sanofi partnered for a reason. The slow rollout doesn't seem strange to me, in fact, it seems smart for all the reasons that have been beat to death on here. That hasn't changed for me, as the paranoia of the market changes. Its what keeps me calm when everyone else is selling. We still have plenty of time for this to work out. Al is not going to let this company go BK. Let Fuckstein and his friends suck each other off and spin BS. sucks if you get caught up in it, but if you do your DD, like the a lot of others on this board have, then you can be confident. Science is great, diabetes still exists, ask a diabetic you know if they would rather use a needle or a faster acting inhaler. lets let the companies that have made multi billions for themselves marketing pharmaceuticals figure out when to release an ad and how to educate doctors. you know, their job. There are strong cards both MNKD and SFY are holding close to their chest. Because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. But the dips. breathe. Have a great day! Agree with everything you said, Mannkind Management is doing a great job IMO. Look at the difference in shareholder morale between yesterday after AF blatantly lied, and today. That was Management !!! They handled it beautifully. EOM I'm starting to post too much again so I'll cool it after this, but I want to give managment props for this move and do so publicly for all to see... I've been one of the hardest on them and I'll eat a little crow. Let's hope they can keep it up... Wouldn't mind eating crow for a while...
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Post by liane on Nov 12, 2015 15:56:08 GMT -5
stevil, Just a stern warning - "messing with people" will not be tolerated here!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 16:07:25 GMT -5
$30 million plus to get by till March $25 million Dev milestone by then that buys 2 qtrs
When the remaining shares are taken out of market ( 37 million almost 10% of the float ) by TASE , share price will start to recover along with sales..
Need some insider buys ( like in millions in open market ) please to get it going
Is that the game plan?
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Post by gamblerjag on Nov 12, 2015 16:08:57 GMT -5
There is a very easy way out.. very easy.. BP makes offer.. SNY matches or doesn't .. DONE!
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Post by cathode on Nov 12, 2015 16:09:22 GMT -5
$30 million plus to get by till March $25 million Dev milestone by then that buys 2 qtrs When the remaining shares are taken out of market ( 37 million ) by TASE , share price will start to recover along with sales.. Is that the game plan? Didn't Hakan say there were no more dev milestones coming?
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Post by stevil on Nov 12, 2015 16:17:55 GMT -5
Ya, I'm trying my best to tone it down a little, but it gets difficult for a couple reasons. First, I get defensive, but then it gets fun messing with people after a while. PM me and call me out though if I ever step out of line. I'm really not a bad guy and I want to contribute all the knowledge I already have and all I'm acquiring to this board. I gave you the benefit of the doubt when I came to your defense the first time I saw others attacking you in a personal way, but now my sneaking suspicion leads me to believe you may have previously gone by a different name on this board(?). If you are this former poster you may want to just back away from the board slowly before you are booted off again. Just word to the wise. Nope, joined for the first time back in June, I believe. And I don't pretend to be anyone but myself. It's unfortunate that so many trolls exist on message boards. That's truly not my intent. II suppose I'm a polarizing character. I've had pm s both thanking me for being here and others telling me to piss off. I do my best to get along with everyone but for some reason that can be challenging here.
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