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Post by avogadro on Jan 13, 2016 14:54:43 GMT -5
A long's first consideration should be to protect their shares from shorts. Those that fail to do so and sell out for a fee, will contribute to chaos like we are now experiencing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 15:02:00 GMT -5
A long's first consideration should be to protect their shares from shorts. Those that fail to do so and sell out for a fee, will contribute to chaos like we are now experiencing. ok |
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Jan 13, 2016 15:09:35 GMT -5
<sarcasm> Yes... hopefully Matt spends ample time scolding shareholders for having created this chaos... that will instill loads of confidence that he realizes where his problems lie. </sarcasm>
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Post by morfu on Jan 13, 2016 19:08:14 GMT -5
Hmm interesting thought.. most people assumed the current situation is somehow related to SANOFI and low sales, but if you say so...
BTW, due to the loaning I increased my MNKD position by 5% this month (and loaned this addition right out again), at no cost for me and no change for the market for now.. only until I decide to recall them one day .. but that is in the far future, loaning to these idiots is just too good right now!
And yes I loanded a ton of shares out a long time ago, are you claiming that this event somehow created ripples to affect the future!?
Other than that my monthly increasing holding is rather market neutral: I buy, I loan out.. I feel bad leeching of these shorts... not!
So, what did you do in the same time to benefit MNKD now or later!?
Do you just make up extraordinary theories, which shine a bad light on other people!?
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Post by ricguy on Jan 13, 2016 19:35:48 GMT -5
From the slides sounds like there "might" be more shares available to short when/if the pps rises to raise more funds so the sh*thead shorts will have plenty to go around. I know what your saying and I myself don't loan or short but I don't blame the retail that does either, I'd probably be on a beach surrounded by six bikinis losing all my $ right now if I had been shorting the past year instead of losing my $ sitting on this lovely board. And a good point above some are increasing their holdings by loaning. Good Luck Guys/Gals, here is to our fortunes in MNKD to start turning around.
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Post by trenddiver on Jan 13, 2016 22:35:18 GMT -5
Hmm interesting thought.. most people assumed the current situation is somehow related to SANOFI and low sales, but if you say so... BTW, due to the loaning I increased my MNKD position by 5% this month (and loaned this addition right out again), at no cost for me and no change for the market for now.. only until I decide to recall them one day .. but that is in the far future, loaning to these idiots is just too good right now! And yes I loanded a ton of shares out a long time ago, are you claiming that this event somehow created ripples to affect the future!? Other than that my monthly increasing holding is rather market neutral: I buy, I loan out.. I feel bad leeching of these shorts... not! So, what did you do in the same time to benefit MNKD now or later!? Do you just make up extraordinary theories, which shine a bad light on other people!? While the value of your shares went down 100%, 200% or more, you were able to increase your position by 5%. That sound a the old sales quip that goes like this, "I lose $1.00 per item, but I make it up in volume". All of you longs, who lent your shares are drinking Kool-Aid if you dont think that it contributes to the shorts ability to control this stock. It time to take our company back from the shorts. Reclaim your loaned shares. Trend |
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Jan 13, 2016 22:51:31 GMT -5
"While the value of your shares went down 100%, 200%"
With a cost basis of the mid $4's... fortunately, we have not yet hit NEGATIVE $4 share price. I was beginning to worry if $0 would be a sustainable floor. My confidence has returned, and I seriously doubt we'll go negative.
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Post by trenddiver on Jan 13, 2016 22:59:30 GMT -5
"While the value of your shares went down 100%, 200%" With a cost basis of the mid $4's... fortunately, we have not yet hit NEGATIVE $4 share price. I was beginning to worry if $0 would be a sustainable floor. My confidence has returned, and I seriously doubt we'll go negative. dp DBC, I'm not sure what you are trying to say- however with a cost basis of $4.00, the value of your shares went down about 500%. If you loaned your shares and earned 15%, your net loss was still huge (maybe 300-400%). |
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Jan 13, 2016 23:07:14 GMT -5
trenddiver ... it's been a long day for both of us. Just poking some fun.
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Post by morfu on Jan 23, 2016 7:36:15 GMT -5
Hmm interesting thought.. most people assumed the current situation is somehow related to SANOFI and low sales, but if you say so... BTW, due to the loaning I increased my MNKD position by 5% this month (and loaned this addition right out again), at no cost for me and no change for the market for now.. only until I decide to recall them one day .. but that is in the far future, loaning to these idiots is just too good right now! And yes I loanded a ton of shares out a long time ago, are you claiming that this event somehow created ripples to affect the future!? Other than that my monthly increasing holding is rather market neutral: I buy, I loan out.. I feel bad leeching of these shorts... not! So, what did you do in the same time to benefit MNKD now or later!? Do you just make up extraordinary theories, which shine a bad light on other people!? While the value of your shares went down 100%, 200% or more, you were able to increase your position by 5%. That sound a the old sales quip that goes like this, "I lose $1.00 per item, but I make it up in volume". All of you longs, who lent your shares are drinking Kool-Aid if you dont think that it contributes to the shorts ability to control this stock. It time to take our company back from the shorts. Reclaim your loaned shares. Trend Yes, my shares lost value, but that is true for everybody. The difference is, that I have 5% more then I would have without lending. My lending out shares might have helped the shorts when it first happened if there would have been no one else to lend out shares at that moment, but now it only costs them and makes no difference to the share price whatsoever... as I said, I take the interest buy some shares and lend them out on the market right away. |
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Post by trenddiver on Jan 23, 2016 17:23:42 GMT -5
While the value of your shares went down 100%, 200% or more, you were able to increase your position by 5%. That sound a the old sales quip that goes like this, "I lose $1.00 per item, but I make it up in volume". All of you longs, who lent your shares are drinking Kool-Aid if you dont think that it contributes to the shorts ability to control this stock. It time to take our company back from the shorts. Reclaim your loaned shares. Trend Yes, my shares lost value, but that is true for everybody. The difference is, that I have 5% more then I would have without lending. My lending out shares might have helped the shorts when it first happened if there would have been no one else to lend out shares at that moment, but now it only costs them and makes no difference to the share price whatsoever... as I said, I take the interest buy some shares and lend them out on the market right away. I refer you to Avogadro's post which initiated this thread. You and all of the other greedy longs who loaned their shares facilitated the domination of this stock by the shorts. If the shorts couldn't get shares to short, they would have gone elsewhere. It's like saying "I don't mind helping the enemy, because I'm getting paid." Trend |
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Post by slugworth008 on Jan 23, 2016 17:59:37 GMT -5
Yes, my shares lost value, but that is true for everybody. The difference is, that I have 5% more then I would have without lending. My lending out shares might have helped the shorts when it first happened if there would have been no one else to lend out shares at that moment, but now it only costs them and makes no difference to the share price whatsoever... as I said, I take the interest buy some shares and lend them out on the market right away. I refer you to Avogadro's post which initiated this thread. You and all of the other greedy longs who loaned their shares facilitated the domination of this stock by the shorts. If the shorts couldn't get shares to short, they would have gone elsewhere. It's like saying "I don't mind helping the enemy, because I'm getting paid." Trend Unfortunately the only way anyone has made any money on MNKD is to loan out shares and collect interest payments. Had I done this 18 months ago I would have made a nice chunk of change. |
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Post by stevil on Jan 23, 2016 18:11:20 GMT -5
I refer you to Avogadro's post which initiated this thread. You and all of the other greedy longs who loaned their shares facilitated the domination of this stock by the shorts. If the shorts couldn't get shares to short, they would have gone elsewhere. It's like saying "I don't mind helping the enemy, because I'm getting paid." Trend Unfortunately the only way anyone has made any money on MNKD is to loan out shares and collect interest payments. Had I done this 18 months ago I would have made a nice chunk of change. I don't have nearly enough money to qualify for Fidelity's requirements so I don't really have a dog in this fight. Having said that, I can't tell if the ones on here are truly upset that others lent or that they hadn't recouped as much of the losses as those who lent did. I'll never get upset with longs who lend their shares. I wish I could... I don't fault you for trying to do what is best for you. That's part of the game. Capitalism isn't about doing what's best for everyone. It's about doing what's best for me. As a culture we're starting to see the inherent flaws in capitalism that we didn't before because there were still some residual values from before the pre-capitalistic market. But once people figured out that greed is the main fuel for the capitalist's engine, it has started firing on all cylinders. You're fighting a losing battle if you get upset with others for playing the game. More importantly, by blaming them, you're refusing to learn that it's just the way it is. Playing the victim only hurts yourself. It's unfortunate that our culture has become so self-centered and independent. Not disputing that. Just trying to help you see that if you're going to play the game, it's best to know the rules. And Slugworth, this post wasn't at you. I quoted the wrong person, sorry. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 18:26:26 GMT -5
If some one wants to short shares they will find the shares to short..lol.. Its easy as an F3 key.. Stop the bickering for a few thousands of shares that retail hold
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Post by trenddiver on Jan 23, 2016 18:49:27 GMT -5
If some one wants to short shares they will find the shares to short..lol.. Its easy as an F3 key.. Stop the bickering for a few thousands of shares that retail hold Not bickering, just stating my point of view. The bottom line is this. The shorts are in control and will be until the longs make it too difficult for the shorts to borrow. The interest rate being paid to longs is basically a bribe to induce the longs to give up control of the shares they own. Trend |
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