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Post by seanismorris on Apr 29, 2016 8:30:34 GMT -5
TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO MANNKIND CORPORATION'S AMENDED AND RESTATED CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION TO INCREASE THE AUTHORIZED NUMBER OF SHARES OF COMMON STOCK FROM 550 MILLION SHARES TO 700 MILLION SHARES.
----- It's happened before....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 15:06:24 GMT -5
I am not following. Are you suggesting the company will be loaning their shares for shorting?
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Post by lakon on Apr 30, 2016 6:06:08 GMT -5
I am not following. Are you suggesting the company will be loaning their shares for shorting? I was wondering a similar possibility. Of course, it would be interesting if the Mann Trust was for years, but I think Al had a moral problem with that so not likely. On the other hand, how much interest paid by short sellers could be used to refinance the company? That's a scary thought IF you are SHORT. I know of people buying with their interest payments... Note that the authorized shares would need to be issued (sold) before loaned for shorting. Adding authorized shares does not give MNKD corporate the ability to just loan shares out of thin air, or does it? All I will say for corporate is that they had better have the votes already since the announcement to increase authorized shares came out after it was possible to recall shares. I do question the poor timing on this. Thus, leading me to believe Matt's story. If I was gaming it, I'd want shares recalled no matter how they voted...
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Post by matt on Apr 30, 2016 8:50:16 GMT -5
Stock has to be issued to vote; a company cannot vote shares in its treasury in Delaware or any other state that has adopted the language in the Model Business Corporations Act. Since the beneficial owner does not change when a share is loaned by the broker, there is no need to recall shares to vote since the broker is responsible for routing the proxy materials to the ultimate beneficial owner and not the most recent borrower.
Borrowing shares does not transfer ownership but rather grants a limited right as in an usufruct (strange word I know; blame the Romans for that). When a share is borrowed the usufructuary (the borrower) enjoys the gain or loss on the trading value of the stock, but they are not entitled to keep any dividends and have no other rights that normally accrue to a typical shareholder.
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Post by cm5 on May 1, 2016 9:51:40 GMT -5
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Post by morfu on May 1, 2016 12:22:35 GMT -5
Ah, well this something I found about voting right and posted in a diffferent thread about 2 months ago.. I hope I dont annoy anyone by repeating it.. it seems relevant to the discussion here..
fidelityinstitutional.fidelity.com/app/literature/view?itemCode=948750&renditionType=pdf
"Under the securities lending agreement, you relinquish your ability to exercise voting rights. If you wish to act on an upcoming proxy vote, you must contact your Fidelity customer representative or the Fidelity Securities Lending desk and instruct him or her to return the securities on loan prior to the record date of the proxy."
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Post by liane on May 1, 2016 17:16:31 GMT -5
I remain confused. I always understood things as morfu has stated - you loan your shares and you lose your voting rights. The eventual buyer of the loaned shares would have the vote. But matt (who has posted a lot of good stuff and seems incredibly knowledgeable) has stated that the loaner retains the rights.
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Post by tayl5 on May 1, 2016 17:32:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, cm5. In the event of a major positive announcement by MannKind, the situation for shorts that have borrowed shares will be a perfect usufuct. If there are no announcements, the term will apply equally to the longs that lent them. BK for longs would constitute a complete usufuct. Apologies for any typos.
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Post by cm5 on May 1, 2016 17:40:47 GMT -5
More for fellow nerds and nerdettes:
As Matt pointed out, this is a term in Roman law----ie, Latin.
u·su·fruct sounds like ˈyo͞ozəˌfrəkt
The right to enjoy the use and advantages of another's property short of the destruction or waste of its substance.
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Post by lakon on May 3, 2016 15:42:05 GMT -5
I remain confused. I always understood things as morfu has stated - you loan your shares and you lose your voting rights. The eventual buyer of the loaned shares would have the vote. But matt (who has posted a lot of good stuff and seems incredibly knowledgeable) has stated that the loaner retains the rights. There is no reason to be confused. matt is simply wrong, no matter how much Roman Law he wishes to discuss. Read your contracts folks. It's in there. Now, perhaps, matt has a special contract written for him. As far as I know, there is nothing special about the loan agreements as far as securities law goes. Therefore, he could have taken possession of his shares and loaned them under his preferred terms. Just like MNKD might have tried to sell to TASE funds that could not loan shares per their contractual obligations under the terms of the fund contract. That said, for most, by contract shares are loaned to your broker who acts as an intermediary fiduciary. The broker provides collateral, usually cash and/or your full faith in them, your counter-party risk. Then, the broker loans the shares to another party, usually intent on selling the shares short, or playing nasty voting games. The real test to this argument is what happens to the poor sucker who buys from the short sale? He does not know or care if the shares are sold short or just sold. He has common shares, and he expects that he can vote them. That's where the votes go. End of story. Of course, if you only explain half of the story, it might sound good. Interestingly, knowledge, intelligence, and correctness are orthogonal. You can be really intelligent, knowledgeable, and very wrong. We crashed a spacecraft into Mars by being just that combination. Usufruct that! It just rolls off the tongue.
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Post by therealisaching on May 3, 2016 15:51:44 GMT -5
I have a margin account, so presumably my shares are loaned. I was able to vote my shares though.
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Post by LosingMyBullishness on May 3, 2016 16:48:29 GMT -5
I have a margin account, so presumably my shares are loaned. I was able to vote my shares though. What I learnt recently is that my broker lend my MNKD shares out while I was deep in my margin. They arranged the collateral in such a way that they were practically the owner enjoying 100% of the borrow rate and the interest for the margin. I should have read the small print..
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Post by LosingMyBullishness on May 3, 2016 16:50:45 GMT -5
I have a margin account, so presumably my shares are loaned. I was able to vote my shares though. What I learnt recently is that my broker lend my MNKD shares out while I was deep in my margin. They arranged the collateral in such a way that they were practically the owner enjoying 100% of the borrow rate and the interest for the margin. I should have read the small print.. I figured this out when I did not receive the proxy material although I didn't lend them out myself.
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Post by kc on May 3, 2016 18:07:18 GMT -5
I have a margin account, so presumably my shares are loaned. I was able to vote my shares though. On a margin account it would depend on if your on any margin terms currently. If your not than ask your broker to put your MNKD shares into the cash side of that account. Most brokerage houses will do that with no questions asked. In the event that you are using margin than you can still do that if the ratio of margin borrowing is not exceeding the rest of the portfolio. Don't let them loan them out without getting paid.
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Post by lakon on May 4, 2016 9:19:49 GMT -5
I have a margin account, so presumably my shares are loaned. I was able to vote my shares though. On a margin account it would depend on if your on any margin terms currently. If your not than ask your broker to put your MNKD shares into the cash side of that account. Most brokerage houses will do that with no questions asked. In the event that you are using margin than you can still do that if the ratio of margin borrowing is not exceeding the rest of the portfolio. Don't let them loan them out without getting paid. It also depends on how crooked your broker is...
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