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Post by babaoriley on Aug 20, 2016 14:54:27 GMT -5
"I just took profits off of EXAS, because I no longer feel it's undervalued." OMG, Sports, and here I thought you had told me that EXAS is in the "end game," and I assumed you meant "end game phase," and a buyout was coming. Well, you know what they say about "assume." I guess you just can't sit on these stocks, if you do, you really get behind. Let me tell you, it took some intestinal fortitude to stick with EXAS for several years, but it helped to have a colony of fellow shareholders that just refused to dump it.
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Post by sportsrancho on Aug 20, 2016 15:31:19 GMT -5
"I just took profits off of EXAS, because I no longer feel it's undervalued." OMG, Sports, and here I thought you had told me that EXAS is in the "end game," and I assumed you meant "end game phase," and a buyout was coming. Well, you know what they say about "assume." I guess you just can't sit on these stocks, if you do, you really get behind. Let me tell you, it took some intestinal fortitude to stick with EXAS for several years, but it helped to have a colony of fellow shareholders that just refused to dump it. Ha, I got out when Whitney shorted it at 22pps and then back in and out for my second double:-) Love the stock. Scared of it right now. But left alittle on the table in case of buy/out.
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Post by mnholdem on Aug 20, 2016 16:13:09 GMT -5
"I just took profits off of EXAS, because I no longer feel it's undervalued." OMG, Sports, and here I thought you had told me that EXAS is in the "end game," and I assumed you meant "end game phase," and a buyout was coming. Well, you know what they say about "assume." I guess you just can't sit on these stocks, if you do, you really get behind. Let me tell you, it took some intestinal fortitude to stick with EXAS for several years, but it helped to have a colony of fellow shareholders that just refused to dump it. Did we just witness baba execute a quadruple double entendre with a twist? Gold medal!
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Post by rockstarrick on Aug 20, 2016 18:04:04 GMT -5
Fellow MNKD longs - It's been a painful and educational journey. This is an investment that should have paid off long ago. The future is uncertain but hopeful - IMO. I have a shitload invested in this company and completely believe in the product for a variety of reasons. I'll spare ya'll on my edification of such at this time. My hope is that by May 1 2017 we are in a far, far better place. This is for personal reasons. I am opening this thread to simply say I am grateful to the many honest MNKD longs on this board. I have taken solace from your insight and wisdom and this has buoyed my spirit with this investment. I am moving back to PDX in Sept - And God willing my investment in this life changing drug will bear fruit. I cannot bear the thought of failure for a drug that is obviously so superior and helpful to the diabetic community. I have written congressmen/woman and anyone else of note with regards to the bullshit that has been taking place with Afrezza. JMHFO. All longs have a great weekend and thank you for all of the info you post here. Liane, thank you for moderating this unruly bunch - LMFAO I am holding and holding and adding and adding - WTF!!! Peace out! Right on Slugworth, I appreciate your passion for the many Mnkd investors you have corresponded with over the years. Even though most of us have never met, I feel like I've known you all for years, nothing wrong with that IMO. I invest to make money also, buy the dips and take the profits. I've made more on Mnkd since it dropped under a buck then most other stocks, just trading around my original position. Afrezza is a product I strongly believe in, and even though we have a very tough road ahead of us, I'll be in till the end. I don't post as much as I used to, but still a Mnkd Bull, and I'm "ready to rocK" good luck sluggo
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Post by falconquest on Aug 21, 2016 12:05:09 GMT -5
Fellow MNKD longs - It's been a painful and educational journey. This is an investment that should have paid off long ago. The future is uncertain but hopeful - IMO. I have a shitload invested in this company and completely believe in the product for a variety of reasons. I'll spare ya'll on my edification of such at this time. My hope is that by May 1 2017 we are in a far, far better place. This is for personal reasons. I am opening this thread to simply say I am grateful to the many honest MNKD longs on this board. I have taken solace from your insight and wisdom and this has buoyed my spirit with this investment. I am moving back to PDX in Sept - And God willing my investment in this life changing drug will bear fruit. I cannot bear the thought of failure for a drug that is obviously so superior and helpful to the diabetic community. I have written congressmen/woman and anyone else of note with regards to the bullshit that has been taking place with Afrezza. JMHFO. All longs have a great weekend and thank you for all of the info you post here. Liane, thank you for moderating this unruly bunch - LMFAO I am holding and holding and adding and adding - WTF!!! Peace out! Slug, Your first sentence says it all. I feel as though I have endured enough pain and have enough education, I want to make some money! As well, I appreciate all those who keep us informed on relevant issues about Mannkind. As for the comments about emotions or lack there thereof, I don't see how anyone can feel completely emotionless when it comes to either buying or selling stocks. Ultimately you trade with your gut/brain even if the chart tells you buy or sell. It's still your brain that makes you hit the "trade" button and that means emotions are involved to some extent. I have traded in and out of Mannkind for years and currently sit on more shares than I should. I just keep coming back to the science. This is a phenomenal product that could make the lives of many diabetics so much better. It really pains me to know that there are forces out there that would just as soon kill the company. Best of luck to Matt, Mike and the rest of the Mannkind team as they work hard to get this product re-introduced to the market.
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Post by sportsrancho on Aug 21, 2016 12:17:12 GMT -5
"I just took profits off of EXAS, because I no longer feel it's undervalued." OMG, Sports, and here I thought you had told me that EXAS is in the "end game," and I assumed you meant "end game phase," and a buyout was coming. Well, you know what they say about "assume." I guess you just can't sit on these stocks, if you do, you really get behind. Let me tell you, it took some intestinal fortitude to stick with EXAS for several years, but it helped to have a colony of fellow shareholders that just refused to dump it. I guess you could say, I backed-one-out:-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 12:55:48 GMT -5
There is no such thing as an honest long or an honest short. One is simply long, short, or not invested. I'm an honest person so being long or short a position doesn't make me honest or dishonest. When investing, there is no loyalty except to my investment decision. Maybe you're mixing loyalty with honesty? It's investing, not world war two or a football game. Post and threads like this demonstrate how taking ones' investments personally end up a disaster. It also demonstrates the most dangerous influence on individual investors - group think. How many people came up on this and other boards, read the over-the-top assessments of soon-to-be rich mnkd investors, only to lose a large portion of their investments? Of course someone will get snarky and ask me "then why are you here". Simple really. I'm an investor and there's information here. Granted one has to wade through the junk to find it, but, it's here. And if mnkd does take off, as I mentioned I'm an investor, so I will decide at that time whether I wish to reenter the mnkd vortex of price movement and take my chances yet again. Til then, I follow, read, listen, learn, absorb, and continue moving forward on this an about a dozen other hopefuls I follow and participate in. When I go out I either take my money or take my emotions. I don't leave the house with both. Thanks for sharing your wisdom davinci. Many on this board might feel humbled by your ability to control your emotions in your investment decision- making. That's a rare gift, and perhaps it inspired the development of computerized trading algorithms (or vice-versa). There is no doubt at all that the best "technical" approach is to be an investor who makes decisions in an emotional vacuum without the complications of values and ideals that lead to that ugly stepsister you would call loyalty. Yet, the last time I checked, in most social settings (and this board is one example), people are influenced by emotions and they do get attached to other people, to ideas, to sports teams, to objects, and yes, even to the companies in which they invest. And sometimes the success of companies (at their core, social groups) defy even the best predictions made by algorithms and accountants, precisely because there are factors that cannot be predicted or controlled by cold, objective calculations. It turns out that often those factors involve humans, motivated by (dare I say it?) emotions. For my journey, I wouldn't have it any other way (win, lose or draw). good luck to you Chris C You're definitely right on so many levels. When it comes to investing I definitely don't do social, emotions, attachments, values, or ideals. And I suppose I'm glad (on a human level - not really - on an investment level, you go chris!!) that you wouldn't have it any other way. Otherwise, the competition to make money in the stock market would be so much more intense than it already is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:02:00 GMT -5
There is no such thing as an honest long or an honest short. One is simply long, short, or not invested. I'm an honest person so being long or short a position doesn't make me honest or dishonest. When investing, there is no loyalty except to my investment decision. Maybe you're mixing loyalty with honesty? It's investing, not world war two or a football game. Post and threads like this demonstrate how taking ones' investments personally end up a disaster. It also demonstrates the most dangerous influence on individual investors - group think. How many people came up on this and other boards, read the over-the-top assessments of soon-to-be rich mnkd investors, only to lose a large portion of their investments? Of course someone will get snarky and ask me "then why are you here". Simple really. I'm an investor and there's information here. Granted one has to wade through the junk to find it, but, it's here. And if mnkd does take off, as I mentioned I'm an investor, so I will decide at that time whether I wish to reenter the mnkd vortex of price movement and take my chances yet again. Til then, I follow, read, listen, learn, absorb, and continue moving forward on this an about a dozen other hopefuls I follow and participate in. When I go out I either take my money or take my emotions. I don't leave the house with both. I felt dirty after reading your post, davinci. Real dirty... Exactly. Unless one thinks the stock market is a clean, friendly, social gathering where everyone is BFF's?! The truth always plays out, always. And the truth is when it comes to money one swims not with the nemo's and other cute fishies but with sharks and piranha's. My posts about afrezza are neither hateful or hopeful. I simply post what I see based on years of experience through the lens as described above. So many here are hoping for a lottery winning or hitting lucky 7. To each their own but the stock market is brutal as many are and have learned. If your goal is to make money for your future, try looking at it through a different lens. Or not. I'm sure if you simply keep repeating the same process over and over it will at some point yield desired results. Right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:14:28 GMT -5
There is no such thing as an honest long or an honest short. One is simply long, short, or not invested. I'm an honest person so being long or short a position doesn't make me honest or dishonest. When investing, there is no loyalty except to my investment decision. Maybe you're mixing loyalty with honesty? It's investing, not world war two or a football game. Post and threads like this demonstrate how taking ones' investments personally end up a disaster. It also demonstrates the most dangerous influence on individual investors - group think. How many people came up on this and other boards, read the over-the-top assessments of soon-to-be rich mnkd investors, only to lose a large portion of their investments? Of course someone will get snarky and ask me "then why are you here". Simple really. I'm an investor and there's information here. Granted one has to wade through the junk to find it, but, it's here. And if mnkd does take off, as I mentioned I'm an investor, so I will decide at that time whether I wish to reenter the mnkd vortex of price movement and take my chances yet again. Til then, I follow, read, listen, learn, absorb, and continue moving forward on this an about a dozen other hopefuls I follow and participate in. When I go out I either take my money or take my emotions. I don't leave the house with both. I completely disagree. You can be either and also dishonest. You can be short and have valid concerns and think that MNKD will not be able to pull it off. You can also be short and try to act like you are long, but try to discourage others from holding their shares using obviously (to the educated) false information. You could spread misinformation or constantly harp on the "negatives" to create fear on the part of the longs. Think "Executives selling because the end is near!!" Same for a long. you can have valid thoughts on why MNKD will succeed. Or you can spread false information of positive events, trying to get a jump in the share price. Think "buyout today!!" "try to discourage others....." Why? To what end? That suggests that making a few people sell or buy will move the needle. I absolutely do not believe in that nor do I believe time spent trying to convince anyone of anything is time well spent. I consider it a waste of time. I see no investment value in discouraging anyone with false information. If we lived in a town of 25 people, then I can see your point. In today's world, I think it overstates the value of a blog or message board. MNKD is doing what they are doing all by themselves. Nothing I or you say changes that course. And because I believe that through and through, I see no point in wasting time with false information.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:24:01 GMT -5
There is no such thing as an honest long or an honest short. One is simply long, short, or not invested. I'm an honest person so being long or short a position doesn't make me honest or dishonest. When investing, there is no loyalty except to my investment decision. Maybe you're mixing loyalty with honesty? It's investing, not world war two or a football game. Post and threads like this demonstrate how taking ones' investments personally end up a disaster. It also demonstrates the most dangerous influence on individual investors - group think. How many people came up on this and other boards, read the over-the-top assessments of soon-to-be rich mnkd investors, only to lose a large portion of their investments? Of course someone will get snarky and ask me "then why are you here". Simple really. I'm an investor and there's information here. Granted one has to wade through the junk to find it, but, it's here. And if mnkd does take off, as I mentioned I'm an investor, so I will decide at that time whether I wish to reenter the mnkd vortex of price movement and take my chances yet again. Til then, I follow, read, listen, learn, absorb, and continue moving forward on this an about a dozen other hopefuls I follow and participate in. When I go out I either take my money or take my emotions. I don't leave the house with both. This seems to be the difference between a pure chartist and a pure "story" investor too. The chartist sees only the graph formations based on past data and makes a decision to invest or stay out, buy or sell based on that. The story investor reads everything they can get their hands on and either comes to believe in the product, the management and/or both when making a decision to invest or stay out, buy or sell. There are chartists who use both the charts and the story, but there are few story investors who pay any attention to charts. I'm a story investor. I LIKE it when the charts support my decisions, but I don't care if they don't. Thats a very interesting description. Thanks for that. No, not a chartist. Couldnt' tell one candlestick from a dot nor do I care to. I suppose in your two examples I'm a story stock chaser without the hype. But it goes a long way to explain the disparity evident in posts here between actual results and the hope for what comes next. I prefer to find a stock with a story and a lot of promise and work from there with reality. I notice it's the reality that gets people. Kevinmik is a great example. He has the end goal in mind but can't put any reality to reaching that end goal. Saying mnkd will reach 3k scripts/week by the end of the year sounds wonderful. Lets all applaud. But ask for details on how one gets there with a basic model and it's crickets. Same with all the hopeful events that may happen over the next year like buyouts, partnerships, RLS money, Vdex, angel investors from china - have I missed any? All wonderful events. Me personally I have winning the lottery, marrying ivanka trump so I can have donald as family, buying 10 Porsches, and maybe picking up a little waterfront house in the caymen islands. Both sets of hopefuls are equally possible through my lens.
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Post by babaoriley on Aug 22, 2016 13:34:47 GMT -5
"So many here are hoping for a lottery winning or hitting lucky 7."
Sorry, daVinci, not too many left like that. Most realize that with all the dilution, and with the threat of further dilution, there won't be any lottery tickets cashed here, at least not without lottery like luck. Most are trying to just get close to even.
So, I'm fine with the pity party that this board becomes from time to time and with the emotion that people show, albeit almost all of that has been negative for quite some time. Although many will say hope is not an investment strategy, almost all investments have degrees of hope attached, even a friggin government bond.
You seem to lack empathy for the emotional folk here. If you are really so cold and calculating regarding your investments, why post here? Now, I can see why you read the board, you certainly can get an objective view of what a lot of fairly large MNKD fans and shareholders are thinking, which is valuable, but posting in the manner in which you do suggests an agenda beyond "telling it like it is."
If I were interested solely in making a profit, I'd read various boards, determine when the bulls are overwhelming the bears and sell short, and vice versa. But I wouldn't post, other than, of course, to gloat about how I used the emotions of those on the board to make money for myself - cuz that's something everyone wants to hear!
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Post by gamblerjag on Aug 22, 2016 13:39:53 GMT -5
Baba.. Lottery ticket is relative. We have diluted about 18-20% in the last 3 years. If that means that someone will have 20% less of a lottery ticket, I think most will be fine with that. I know I will.. so in theory If investors planned of $30 pps at 12 billion m/c by 2019 now with dilution we have $24 and 9.5 billion m/c. The good thing for many myself included I increased my holding over the last 2 years way more than 20%... so will be better off by a lot than if we didn't dilute and didn't pick up 400% more shares from my original investment.
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Post by mannmade on Aug 22, 2016 13:42:46 GMT -5
With all due respect I have to agree with Baba. Also you are starting to sound like a broken record. Point made the first time. The fact that you find it necessary to repeat yourself on the same subject with the same words almost everytime makes me think you really haven't removed your emotions from your decisions and/or this discussion, otherwise you would be one and done on this conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:43:15 GMT -5
Baba.. Lottery ticket is relative. We have diluted about 18-20% in the last 3 years. If that means that someone will have 20% less of a lottery ticket, I think most will be fine with that. I know I will.. so in theory If investors planned of $30 pps at 12 billion m/c by 2019 now with dilution we have $24 and 9.5 billion m/c. The good thing for many myself included I increased my holding over the last 2 years way more than 20%... so will be better off by a lot than if we didn't dilute and didn't pick up 400% more shares from my original investment. even if they didnt dilute, you could have picked up more shares at this price and still not have 20% less lottery ticket. Didnt get your point
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 17:52:12 GMT -5
"So many here are hoping for a lottery winning or hitting lucky 7." Sorry, daVinci, not too many left like that. Most realize that with all the dilution, and with the threat of further dilution, there won't be any lottery tickets cashed here, at least not without lottery like luck. Most are trying to just get close to even. So, I'm fine with the pity party that this board becomes from time to time and with the emotion that people show, albeit almost all of that has been negative for quite some time. Although many will say hope is not an investment strategy, almost all investments have degrees of hope attached, even a friggin government bond. You seem to lack empathy for the emotional folk here. If you are really so cold and calculating regarding your investments, why post here? Now, I can see why you read the board, you certainly can get an objective view of what a lot of fairly large MNKD fans and shareholders are thinking, which is valuable, but posting in the manner in which you do suggests an agenda beyond "telling it like it is." If I were interested solely in making a profit, I'd read various boards, determine when the bulls are overwhelming the bears and sell short, and vice versa. But I wouldn't post, other than, of course, to gloat about how I used the emotions of those on the board to make money for myself - cuz that's something everyone wants to hear! You are right - almost all investments have degrees of hope attached. At the point I put my "faith" into an investment, however, is the point where I've exhausted all available information, where I've teased all possible outcomes, and ultimately answering the question I always have to ask myself - is this company worth my hard earned money?! The empathy you speak of, is that the same empathy afforded to folks like myself that were throwing up the warning signs the summer of FDA approval with comments over and over like "its all about sales"? Or the empathy imparted when I threw up some sales model spreadsheets to illustrate what it takes to reach sales/script goals during the initial few months of afrezza sales only to get shouted down and insulted? Nothing I've said is anything other than me sharing my particular point of view which has and continues to be misconstrued as having an agenda followed by what others would or wouldn't do in my position ending with "why are you even here". Meanwhile, I'm just a simple person who has learned how to manage himself when investing. Take it for what its worth. If its worth nothing, it's a little button called "ignore". It works and you'll be spared my future posts. I dont' do kool aid and I don't get emotionally attached to an investment. If that hurts someone's delicate nature...lol....heavens help the human race.
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