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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 11:41:47 GMT -5
I'm with you babaoriley . We do not yet have standards in place to determine level of impairment for marijuana use. lol edibles cause severe impairment but ALCOHOL is 1000000000000 times worse then pot |
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Post by zuegirdor on Nov 9, 2016 11:47:21 GMT -5
Just what we need. More people using mind altering substances. For some, it is recreation, but for many it is a way to escape the reality of the world they live in. God bless you if you are a recreational user who enjoys a good high over the influence of alcohol. It is, in my opinion, a healthier choice. As an alcoholic who has been sober for 12 years, I only hope that in 5 years we don't look back and regret the decision made yesterday. I saw stats on Drug legalization in other countries/Eu that shows legalizing drugs even more potent than mj did not lead to more drug use in general pop. This is confirmed by the legalizations in the US that show a slight decrease in mj use among younger demographic. |
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Post by avogadro on Nov 9, 2016 12:24:55 GMT -5
We do not yet have standards in place to determine level of impairment for marijuana use. |
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Post by radgray68 on Nov 9, 2016 12:27:00 GMT -5
Since the dawn of time, man has sought relief and escape through the consumption of plants, tinctures and tonics. Anybody who has experience with marijuana knows a couple puffs off of a bong or joint is no more harmful than a couple of beers. Eat some munchies and go to sleep.....happy.
People will no longer be incarcerated for this victimless activity, which is a win for taxpayers, the judicial system as well as California youth. Yes, the youth win here as well. How many young Americans have been forced to give up their dreams because of a criminal record they got for marijuana related offenses? Once in the system, young people tend to give up trying. I know, not every pot smoker is an angel, but they are not all devils either.
For the past 30 years of my life, I've watched this "war on drugs" fail miserably. None of those I know who do drugs has ever had a problem scoring them through the black market. I'm talking about pot, pills, coke, heroine, designer drugs, steroids, etc. etc. etc. The only puzzle piece that fits is that the system is corrupted. I'm calling out the DEA, FDA,, Border patrol, Police and Sheriffs all for their blatantly obvious failure to stop anything. I blame them all, along with lawmakers for giving the profits and power to the cartels all along. We tried prohibition....again ...and it failed....again. Hopefully, the money spent on punishment in the past will be used to help those who need and want it in the future.
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Post by brentie on Nov 9, 2016 12:45:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 12:45:44 GMT -5
Since the dawn of time, man has sought relief and escape through the consumption of plants, tinctures and tonics. Anybody who has experience with marijuana knows a couple puffs off of a bong or joint is no more harmful than a couple of beers. Eat some munchies and go to sleep.....happy. People will no longer be incarcerated for this victimless activity, which is a win for taxpayers, the judicial system as well as California youth. Yes, the youth win here as well. How many young Americans have been forced to give up their dreams because of a criminal record they got for marijuana related offenses? Once in the system, young people tend to give up trying. I know, not every pot smoker is an angel, but they are not all devils either. For the past 30 years of my life, I've watched this "war on drugs" fail miserably. None of those I know who do drugs has ever had a problem scoring them through the black market. I'm talking about pot, pills, coke, heroine, designer drugs, steroids, etc. etc. etc. The only puzzle piece that fits is that the system is corrupted. I'm calling out the DEA, FDA,, Border patrol, Police and Sheriffs all for their blatantly obvious failure to stop anything. I blame them all, along with lawmakers for giving the profits and power to the cartels all along. We tried prohibition....again ...and it failed....again. Hopefully, the money spent on punishment in the past will be used to help those who need and want it in the future. The war on drugs is a joke. There is so much political bullshit behind pot that people cant wrap their head around. Pot is listed as a schedule A drug in the same category as heroin and crack. Thats ridiculous. Zero pot related deaths in 2015. How many from heroin,crack and alcohol? The government does not want to change it around because arresting people with pot and throwing them in jail is a billion $$$ business. Federal grant money is awarded to the state for drug related arrests. Its helped give police all these neat toys. The black market for drugs is the internet, and guess who delivers them ---------> The United States Postal Service |
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Post by slugworth008 on Nov 9, 2016 13:31:22 GMT -5
agreed, it is better. We voted a madman into the figure head office. We are going to need it. After 8 years of Obummer - This is gonna be fun. IMO |
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Post by slugworth008 on Nov 9, 2016 13:31:47 GMT -5
I'm with you babaoriley . We do not yet have standards in place to determine level of impairment for marijuana use. lol edibles cause severe impairment but ALCOHOL is 1000000000000 times worse then pot NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!! IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 14:04:08 GMT -5
MJ by itself is pretty harmless assuming some basic precautions, like don't drive, operate machinery, or make big decisions while high (if one can actually MAKE a decision while high besides pizza or muchies). There's comments about medical MJ and talking about it as if it's somehow different MJ than say what I might grow in my back yard. There is nothing special about medical MJ vs recreational MJ. Nothing. MJ can make you high if it has THC. CBD can be the focus without THC for the CBD benefit which is focused on seizures, for instance. But it's all just MJ and you can buy both (with THC or just focus on CBD) with a medical card or you can buy both recreationally (at least in colorado). MJ has been branded long before branding was the buzzword of the decade or two. MJ was branded going back to the 1930's (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html) which explains the combination of fear and immigrants (sound familiar?). And, just like diamond rings on our wives fingers (mostly due to branding/marketing by the da beers family www.americangemsociety.org/en/the-history-of-the-diamond-as-an-engagement-ring), we have a long history of branding when it comes to MJ. Yet, how much of it is true? Well, like alcohol or anything else that can impact the growth phase of our minds/body I would say use drugs/alcohol in very minor amounts if at all as young people. As we age and our bodies and minds degrade naturally over time, who cares if people get high?! As far as mnkd profiting from sales of MJ using T, I'm very skeptical (shocker). MJ users are cheap and always look to get what they want the cheapest way possible. Without knowing the target audience for whatever RLS is developing, without knowing what they are offering and how they are offering and at what price, it's impossible to assess where this is going. But, for the sake of chewing over a scenario, for the medical side, just the CBD, put it together with mnkd's delivery system and put it out for sale. The skepticism on my part comes from the fact that one doesn't need T or mnkd to get CBD or TCH into the blood stream. For example, vape pens are discrete, easy to use, highly concentrated, and minimum lung impact (it's a vape situation, not smoking, so the MJ doesn't "burn" and create those nasty chemicals as long as the temp is held below 450 degrees or thereabouts when creating the vape herb.co/2015/09/07/how-to-smoke-weed-and-keep-your-lungs-healthy/). And, one only needs two or three draws and that's that. So, why would anyone spend the extra bank on mnkd's delivery system? If it's to get high, one can only get so high before they don't get any higher, unlike alcohol where you can kill yourself from over consumption. That's not an issue with THC or CBD so there's no need for exact amounts of THC/CBD. So maybe the kardashians would want a gold studded inhaler for their THC, but, the average joe? Doubt it. Last thought, I get my lungs checked out annually and have done so for over 20 years now. All through that time, my lung function hasn't changed from vaping MJ and I've been on and off it with the intention of evaluating potential damage to my lungs. Would my lung function be impaired if it was combined with T? Not sure but I also don't see a need to find out. Why would I?! so, that's my skepticism. Would love to hear how I got it all wrong or what I'm missing. I continue to hang around the mnkd universe because if this ever did take off, mnkd would be quite the massive company. But I'm not going to grasp at fantasy either. |
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Post by op2778 on Nov 9, 2016 14:11:49 GMT -5
Alcohol/pot are nonstarters for me. I quit both over 8 years ago, but do not begrudge others who want to use. It's all about personal choice to me. IMO, the whole RLS/MNKD pot thing is a bit overblown at this time. I really don't expect much there. Time will tell. Well, that's probably the only rabbit Matt can pull from hat.... Let us overblown with that LOL. Op |
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Post by peppy on Nov 9, 2016 14:46:01 GMT -5
regarding levels of impairment.
My whole life I have heard of DRUNK driving accidents.
People in the wrong lane, etc.
Tell me how many times you have heard of marijuana impaired accidents?
(Do not eat the stuff.)
Regarding levels of impairment... lithium? seroquel? Cancer medications? Prozac..... etc etc. you know I read the package inserts of plenty of drugs. People living in glass houses pointing fingers. Another hood wink.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 14:55:20 GMT -5
regarding levels of impairment.
My whole life I have heard of DRUNK driving accidents.
People in the wrong lane, etc.
Tell me how many times you have heard of marijuana impaired accidents?
(Do not eat the stuff.)
Regarding levels of impairment... lithium? seroquel? Cancer medications? Prozac..... etc etc. you know I read the package inserts of plenty of drugs. People living in glass houses pointing fingers. Another hood wink.
The worst thing that happens (from what I hear) is you drive a bit more cautious and maybe pull over to eat the pizza vs waiting to get home. I think the issue is edibles. No one knows whats in them. Who is making them, and too much will send even the most seasoned veteran pot smoker over the edge Love this women www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Xd7cseGcE |
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Post by slugworth008 on Nov 9, 2016 16:49:07 GMT -5
I'm surprised it took CA so long to legalize it. |
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Post by sweedee79 on Nov 9, 2016 19:39:32 GMT -5
agreed, it is better. We voted a madman into the figure head office. We are going to need it. I know Peppy... I'm sickened by it!!! I had to turn off the tv... couldn't watch .. My son wouldn't vote for either candidate.. he wrote in Bernie Sanders, it was his first time voting and he was so proud and happy until the madman won ..
Regarding Marijuana ... People forget so soon... Remember the prohibition?? I say legal is better than illegal.. people are going to use it anyway.. at least if its legal it is regulated and people who need it for medicinal uses can get it as well .. Yes laws and regulation need to be ironed out.. but that will happen as well.. I have no problem whatsoever with people smoking pot if they so choose.
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Post by mannmade on Nov 9, 2016 19:41:20 GMT -5
Well at least MannKind had a win today...  |
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