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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 8, 2018 19:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by digger on Apr 8, 2018 22:30:29 GMT -5
They should add that under obamacare, insurance premiums are taxpayer subsidized to insure everyone gets coverage, but there's really no limit on how fast insurers can raise those premiums. My own have been going up about 10% a year the past 5-6 years. To me, socialized medicine is simply the only recourse.
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Post by peppy on Apr 9, 2018 7:45:01 GMT -5
They should add that under obamacare, insurance premiums are taxpayer subsidized to insure everyone gets coverage, but there's really no limit on how fast insurers can raise those premiums. My own have been going up about 10% a year the past 5-6 years. To me, socialized medicine is simply the only recourse. The insurance companies wrote the Affordable Care Act. This is what your legislature has done for you.
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Post by peppy on Apr 9, 2018 7:48:52 GMT -5
There is no free choice, patients are stuck. A life time of treatment is better than a cure.
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Post by akemp3000 on Apr 9, 2018 8:27:56 GMT -5
Socialized medicine created and managed by federal government bureaucrats would be horrible as it is in many others countries. Free market competition is the only option that will remove health care control from insurance companies and bureaucrats. Jeff Dachis explains this in a unique way.
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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 9, 2018 8:39:39 GMT -5
Socialized medicine created and managed by federal government bureaucrats would be horrible as it is in many others countries. Free market competition is the only option that will remove health care control from insurance companies and bureaucrats. Jeff Dachis explains this in a unique way. Yes he does doesn’t he:-)) 10 thumbs up, you get it!
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Post by digger on Apr 9, 2018 9:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by boca1girl on Apr 9, 2018 9:33:17 GMT -5
Socialized medicine created and managed by federal government bureaucrats would be horrible as it is in many others countries. Free market competition is the only option that will remove health care control from insurance companies and bureaucrats. Jeff Dachis explains this in a unique way. How would you classify the medical market place today? Is this the free market? The free market works pretty good in the technology world but I don’t see it working too well in the medical marketplace.
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Post by mnholdem on Apr 9, 2018 9:42:20 GMT -5
Free market dynamics are stifled in the medical industry because of a lack of transparency. That "secrecy" can also play a big part in socialized medicine as well.
What is needed in the USA is for the hidden deals between payers and providers to become transparent. In a truly free market, not everyone knows the cost to manufacture (that can remain a trade secret), but everyone should be allowed to know what the REAL sales prices are between competitors, including prices to both consumers and 3rd party payers.
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Post by akemp3000 on Apr 9, 2018 12:01:23 GMT -5
There may be arguments to the contrary but not good, honest arguments. Opposing views on almost any subject can be found on the web, especially when it comes to politics. The U.S. medical market place today is definitely not free market. If it was you could buy health insurance across state lines. More importantly results would be coming from consumers versus insurance companies and bureaucrats. I'll now refrain from the politics on this subject but hat's off to Jeff Dachis for his willingness to speak up!
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Post by mango on Apr 9, 2018 15:05:45 GMT -5
The Veterans Health Administration is an example of socialized medicine. There are pros and cons to the VA, but it is overall ineffective and unintentional burdens are put on veterans because of its dynamics. A perfect example is Person #1 is a combat disabled veteran with a felony that has a heroin addiction and wishes to enroll in an opioid abuse program for help. The veteran must spend hours on the phone and must fill out copious amounts of paperwork, and wait for weeks until hearing back from the VA to inform him that the nearest program is in the neighboring state 2 hours away. Now the veteran must obtain approval to leave the state by parole officer. Then, the veteran is made aware that he will have to make a 4 hour round trip to receive a once daily liquid dose of medication. The veteran realizes this is unrealistic and so remains addicted to heroin and received no realistic help despite begging for it. Person #2 has all the same issues as Person #1 except he lives in the state with the program and thus can realistically receive treatment for his addiction.
That is socialized medicine.
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Post by akemp3000 on Apr 9, 2018 15:12:32 GMT -5
Wow Mango! Great example and so, so sad.
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Post by celo on Apr 9, 2018 15:50:10 GMT -5
Why is it any article I read, says that European socialistic forms of medicine are better than the US? Find me an article to the contrary. So if we push the needle further out to a more open market away from the more successful European models, things will just magically become better. Where is the example of that in the world? How about ever? The VA is crap because we have 24 million veterans and we have decided to put in a very small amount of money per veteran. Instead of 100 billion it should be 300 billion. The USA starts a lot of fights and then under compensates its soldiers when they come back from fighting. www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/reports/departmental-audit-evaluation/2009-12-nvc/4-4
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Post by digger on Apr 9, 2018 22:40:38 GMT -5
The Veterans Health Administration is an example of socialized medicine. There are pros and cons to the VA, but it is overall ineffective and unintentional burdens are put on veterans because of its dynamics. A perfect example is Person #1 is a combat disabled veteran with a felony that has a heroin addiction and wishes to enroll in an opioid abuse program for help. The veteran must spend hours on the phone and must fill out copious amounts of paperwork, and wait for weeks until hearing back from the VA to inform him that the nearest program is in the neighboring state 2 hours away. Now the veteran must obtain approval to leave the state by parole officer. Then, the veteran is made aware that he will have to make a 4 hour round trip to receive a once daily liquid dose of medication. The veteran realizes this is unrealistic and so remains addicted to heroin and received no realistic help despite begging for it. Person #2 has all the same issues as Person #1 except he lives in the state with the program and thus can realistically receive treatment for his addiction. That is socialized medicine. To find a substance abuse program offered by the Veterans Administration, all the vet would have to do is go here -- www.va.gov/directory/guide/sud.asp -- and enter his zip code. I found three withing sixty miles of my own address. And to apply he would simply go to the closest VA medical facility -- www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/307 -- and it's all paid for. What would he have to do to get private insurance to reimburse him -- www.rehabs.com/about/blue-cross-blue-shield-insurance-coverage-for-opiates-opioids/ -- and how much would he have to pay out of pocket?
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 10, 2018 9:22:25 GMT -5
Free market dynamics are stifled in the medical industry because of a lack of transparency. That "secrecy" can also play a big part in socialized medicine as well.
What is needed in the USA is for the hidden deals between payers and providers to become transparent. In a truly free market, not everyone knows the cost to manufacture (that can remain a trade secret), but everyone should be allowed to know what the REAL sales prices are between competitors, including prices to both consumers and 3rd party payers.
Maybe with some socialized medicine approaches secrecy remains, but with the NHS in the UK the price the NHS pays for a drug is published. Also the adoption into the national formulary is handled by an independent organization, NICE, who evaluate the drug according to defined parameters. The private sector in the UK gets to piggyback on the NHS negotiated prices. It is all evidence based, it is all transparent.
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