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Post by sportsrancho on Nov 16, 2018 22:03:46 GMT -5
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Post by mytakeonit on Nov 16, 2018 22:32:44 GMT -5
News also says that unaccounted for doesn't mean that they are missing. Okay ...
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Post by sportsrancho on Nov 16, 2018 22:44:37 GMT -5
These people will have to wait two years to have their homes rebuilt they are living in parking lots homeless😥
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Post by falconquest on Nov 18, 2018 7:58:58 GMT -5
A couple of points as I ponder the enormity of the devastation here. If PG&E had simply buried the electric lines then the fire would have been avoided (if it was indeed caused by their equipment.)So often we're told that the cost is too high. What is the cost now? How much money will PG&E have to shell out along with the insurance companies? I bet the insurance companies alone would be happy to pay for the cost of buried electric lines. Our former Governor pushed this idea simply for aesthetic reasons and was ridiculed. Seems like a good idea in high fire prone areas. It also reduces outages caused by storms. The people affected by this have a long road ahead of them. This is a major life changing event for them. Nothing will ever be the same. Imagine having your life turned completely upside down in a matter of hours.
When we talk about disasters, who noticed Oregon had a 4 point something earth quake the other day? Having read a lot about the two plates that meet just off the coast it is clear that the West coast is a ticking time bomb. The San Juan's in Washington are beautiful as is Northern California but I wouldn't live there for anything. It could be years before something happens but then it could be today. I just can't see living in an area that is prone to potential total devastation. One other point, thanks to the moderators for allowing this thread to remain off topic and the best to all those affected by the fire.
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Post by mango on Nov 18, 2018 16:51:02 GMT -5
A couple of points as I ponder the enormity of the devastation here. If PG&E had simply buried the electric lines then the fire would have been avoided (if it was indeed caused by their equipment.)So often we're told that the cost is too high. What is the cost now? How much money will PG&E have to shell out along with the insurance companies? I bet the insurance companies alone would be happy to pay for the cost of buried electric lines. Our former Governor pushed this idea simply for aesthetic reasons and was ridiculed. Seems like a good idea in high fire prone areas. It also reduces outages caused by storms. The people affected by this have a long road ahead of them. This is a major life changing event for them. Nothing will ever be the same. Imagine having your life turned completely upside down in a matter of hours. When we talk about disasters, who noticed Oregon had a 4 point something earth quake the other day? Having read a lot about the two plates that meet just off the coast it is clear that the West coast is a ticking time bomb. The San Juan's in Washington are beautiful as is Northern California but I wouldn't live there for anything. It could be years before something happens but then it could be today. I just can't see living in an area that is prone to potential total devastation. One other point, thanks to the moderators for allowing this thread to remain off topic and the best to all those affected by the fire. Such an importanr thing to think about, this no doubt has traumatic impacts on the people and the communities. I still cannot believe how many people lost their lives in this fire. It will take years to clean up, repair and rebuild, and some may live, I could imagine, the rest of their lives w/ PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc...I think Paradise was completely destroyed was it not? Depressing situation
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Post by mnkdfann on Nov 21, 2018 22:47:48 GMT -5
Wonder if it would help if the city routinely sprayed some sort of fire retardant everywhere, like make it apart of the local community upkeep, like with paving roads and filling potholes or repairing stop-lights. Spray the fire retardant on lawns and city park grass and mulch, in trees, in ditches, etc. Something human and animal friendly and really small like an invisible mist, nano size. I don't really see that (spraying fire retardant everywhere) happening. Too expensive. Too much maintenance (refreshing the application every time the lawns are cut, etc.). Probably fire retardant everywhere would not be very attractive. And probably it is also likely to be harmful to someone or something. To our furry animal friends, if not people. I think a better solution would be to use smarter construction materials in structures in fire prone areas. E.g. www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/rsg-3-ds-building-panel-could-help-protect-homes-during-wildfires.htmlAnd I don't know really what the forests in California are like (e.g. how much old wood versus new there is), or how they are maintained, but perhaps there should be more controlled burns and / or homes should not be built as close to, or in, the forests as they may have been in the past.
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Post by sportsrancho on Nov 22, 2018 9:42:08 GMT -5
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Post by falconquest on Nov 22, 2018 17:51:24 GMT -5
Amazing footage sports! Kudos to the flight crew who found a way to make this rescue happen!
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Post by sportsrancho on Nov 22, 2018 17:55:44 GMT -5
Amazing footage sports! Kudos to the flight crew who found a way to make this rescue happen! Can you imagine running up a mountain away from a fire knowing it’s likely you will burn alive, but never giving up hope! Goes to show you at the last minute anything can happen!
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Post by falconquest on Nov 22, 2018 17:57:44 GMT -5
People have a strong will to survive which is why PWD's ought to use Afrezza!
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Post by mango on Nov 22, 2018 19:57:12 GMT -5
Wonder if it would help if the city routinely sprayed some sort of fire retardant everywhere, like make it apart of the local community upkeep, like with paving roads and filling potholes or repairing stop-lights. Spray the fire retardant on lawns and city park grass and mulch, in trees, in ditches, etc. Something human and animal friendly and really small like an invisible mist, nano size. I don't really see that (spraying fire retardant everywhere) happening. Too expensive. Too much maintenance (refreshing the application every time the lawns are cut, etc.). Probably fire retardant everywhere would not be very attractive. And probably it is also likely to be harmful to someone or something. To our furry animal friends, if not people. I think a better solution would be to use smarter construction materials in structures in fire prone areas. E.g. www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/rsg-3-ds-building-panel-could-help-protect-homes-during-wildfires.htmlAnd I don't know really what the forests in California are like (e.g. how much old wood versus new there is), or how they are maintained, but perhaps there should be more controlled burns and / or homes should not be built as close to, or in, the forests as they may have been in the past. True, my idea was pretty retarded I'll admit. You're the second person to mention controlled burns, think that is definitely something that should be looked into. We have controlled burns here in MS all the time, everywhere. Something like this sounds promising with the building materials. We still need a superior fire suppressant to use. Maybe that's where FireIce can come in. I mean you could literally probably soak yourself in FireIce gel and survive escaping a fire. What if fire extinguishers were loading with FireIce and people could use them at home and work, carry one in the vehicle etc... "There's no place for a fire in a 3D panel building to start because you've got a concrete exterior and nothing is combustible within the materials." That's why officials in Santa Rosa, California, chose RSG 3-D to rebuild a firewall destroyed by wildfires last year. The panel technology is not new. NASA has been using a version of it to build spacecraft for years because of its strength. And former President Jimmy Carter used the material in his charity work decades ago on damaged buildings in Florida and Georgia. But it never really took off in the United States. "The reason the product has not been used well in the United Stated to date is because we have wood," said Geoffrey Evancic, chief operating officer of Hutter Pioneer, a construction company that is working with the RSG 3-D panels. "The United States is blessed with multiple forests and wood was an inexpensive building material, up until the last five years. With the new energy code, especially up in the northern states, and in California, they want net-zero houses. You cannot get to a net-zero house construction with wood." "When comparing the RSG 3-D panel system to conventional housing in terms of just wild fire, wood frame construction is notably fuel for fires," said Calligar. "An RSG 3-D panel building will have at least a two-hour fire rating, which means you can apply open flame to the walls for at least two hours with no combustion whatsoever."
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