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Post by mssciguy on Sept 10, 2015 10:13:38 GMT -5
Lip service. Nothing will change accept the weather. It's also on the front page of NYT today ( a little more depth ). Could be a warning shot, who knows? The way DOJ works is they don't go after someone unless they have an ironclad case. Maybe they already do. Have seen statistics that some 10,000 suicides resulted from the Wall Street induced housing crash (and many of those same banks went on to buy up the foreclosed property, millions of homes). And nobody went to jail??? Someone should pay. Some of these so-called analysts and "hedgies" have the maturity and ethics of teenage bullies, even the ones with MDs and MBAs... all it would take is one sting operation, just one.... these guys leave their fingerprints everywhere.
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Post by newmnkdinvestor on Sept 10, 2015 10:24:45 GMT -5
I can always hope it's more than lip service. Lip service and a bigger political campaign contribution
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Post by Chris-C on Sept 10, 2015 12:06:19 GMT -5
Lip service. Nothing will change accept the weather. Agreed. Show me behavior change, DOJ; and your credibiity quotient will improve. I would feel better if the AG made the presentation along with announcing an indictment or two.
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Post by mssciguy on Sept 10, 2015 12:09:40 GMT -5
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Post by peppy on Sept 10, 2015 12:14:25 GMT -5
2002 nail. remember the rating agencies during the mortgage explosion. many nails in the pasture.
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Post by mnholdem on Sept 10, 2015 19:02:07 GMT -5
Well, technically Hill worked out of Sioux Falls, South Dakota. He was fined $50k and permanently banned from trading. Piper Jaffray's headquarters was in Minneapolis, and they were fined $100k by the SEC in 2002. In today's money, counting inflation, that would be $102k.
There is a federal circuit judge in Minneapolis, so occasionally some high-profile cases end up in Minnesota. Incidentally, Alan Page, retired hall-of-fame defensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings in the 70's (remember coach Bud Grant?), is now a Minnesota Supreme Court Justice.
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Post by mannmade on Sept 10, 2015 20:35:23 GMT -5
Well, technically Hill worked out of Sioux Falls, South Dakota. He was fined $50k and permanently banned from trading. Piper Jaffray's headquarters was in Minneapolis, and they were fined $100k by the SEC in 2002. In today's money, counting inflation, that would be $102k.
There is a federal circuit judge in Minneapolis, so occasionally some high-profile cases end up in Minnesota. Incidentally, Alan Page, retired hall-of-fame defensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings in the 70's (remember coach Bud Grant?), is now a Minnesota Supreme Court Justice.
I do remember Bud Grant, Alan Page, (part of the Purple People Eaters as I recall) and Fran Tarkington. I worked with Fran after he left football...
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Post by nylefty on Sept 14, 2015 14:11:21 GMT -5
The only analyst I follow is Nate Pile, who says in his latest newsletter (published last night) that he's adding more MNKD to his portfolios, both of which are significantly outpacing the general market. He says MNKD "remains a very strong buy under $7 and a buy under $10."
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Post by lmj on Sept 14, 2015 14:37:31 GMT -5
Lip service. Nothing will change accept the weather. It's also on the front page of NYT today ( a little more depth ). Could be a warning shot, who knows? The way DOJ works is they don't go after someone unless they have an ironclad case. Maybe they already do. Have seen statistics that some 10,000 suicides resulted from the Wall Street induced housing crash (and many of those same banks went on to buy up the foreclosed property, millions of homes). And nobody went to jail??? Someone should pay. Some of these so-called analysts and "hedgies" have the maturity and ethics of teenage bullies, even the ones with MDs and MBAs... all it would take is one sting operation, just one.... these guys leave their fingerprints everywhere. BTW there's no conspiracy. The real issue is not what Wall Street or some hedge fund did or did not do. The stock would not be where it is today if management did a better job. If you say they have no control then they need to exert control. Al needs to take action and improve the marketing. Blaming someone shorting the stock is not focusing on the problem. The short sellers do it with conviction. The longs, especially retail investors, rely on management yet management has not performed. I'm long too but the love you folks feel for the stock means you are much too attached. Its a behavioral mistake many investors make.
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Post by nylefty on Sept 14, 2015 15:03:51 GMT -5
The stock would not be where it is today if management did a better job. If you say they have no control then they need to exert control. Al needs to take action and improve the marketing. Blaming someone shorting the stock is not focusing on the problem. The short sellers do it with conviction. The longs, especially retail investors, rely on management yet management has not performed. What action do you suggest that Al take to improve the marketing, in light of the fact that Sanofi is in charge of marketing, not MannKind? Go on a hunger strike or stage a sit-in until Sanofi buys some TV ads? From what I hear, Sanofi is working on getting better insurance coverage and training more reps on how to educate docs about Afrezza. Once there's been more progress in those areas, the TV ads will come.
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Post by notamnkdmillionaire on Sept 14, 2015 15:11:28 GMT -5
It's also on the front page of NYT today ( a little more depth ). Could be a warning shot, who knows? The way DOJ works is they don't go after someone unless they have an ironclad case. Maybe they already do. Have seen statistics that some 10,000 suicides resulted from the Wall Street induced housing crash (and many of those same banks went on to buy up the foreclosed property, millions of homes). And nobody went to jail??? Someone should pay. Some of these so-called analysts and "hedgies" have the maturity and ethics of teenage bullies, even the ones with MDs and MBAs... all it would take is one sting operation, just one.... these guys leave their fingerprints everywhere. BTW there's no conspiracy. The real issue is not what Wall Street or some hedge fund did or did not do. The stock would not be where it is today if management did a better job. If you say they have no control then they need to exert control. Al needs to take action and improve the marketing. Blaming someone shorting the stock is not focusing on the problem. The short sellers do it with conviction. The longs, especially retail investors, rely on management yet management has not performed. I'm long too but the love you folks feel for the stock means you are much too attached. Its a behavioral mistake many investors make. Al has done nothing in over a decade to help shareholders. His only mission was to keep Mannkind alive and get Afrezza approved which he successfully did but at a huge cost to him. So why now do you think he would do anything to help the pps when he's done absolutely nothing before?
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Post by newmnkdinvestor on Sept 14, 2015 21:03:55 GMT -5
BTW there's no conspiracy. The real issue is not what Wall Street or some hedge fund did or did not do. The stock would not be where it is today if management did a better job. If you say they have no control then they need to exert control. Al needs to take action and improve the marketing. Blaming someone shorting the stock is not focusing on the problem. The short sellers do it with conviction. The longs, especially retail investors, rely on management yet management has not performed. I'm long too but the love you folks feel for the stock means you are much too attached. Its a behavioral mistake many investors make. Al has done nothing in over a decade to help shareholders. His only mission was to keep Mannkind alive and get Afrezza approved which he successfully did but at a huge cost to him. So why now do you think he would do anything to help the pps when he's done absolutely nothing before? Watch out the hoard is coming with torches to skin you alive.
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Post by notamnkdmillionaire on Sept 14, 2015 21:26:06 GMT -5
Al has done nothing in over a decade to help shareholders. His only mission was to keep Mannkind alive and get Afrezza approved which he successfully did but at a huge cost to him. So why now do you think he would do anything to help the pps when he's done absolutely nothing before? Watch out the hoard is coming with torches to skin you alive. The hoard knows full well that I speak the truth. They deep down know he's not shareholder friendly. I am not knocking Al just stating an inconvenient fact. Al is only friendly to diabetics who he is trying to help and God love him for that but strictly on an investing level, he's so far been abysmal especially if you were an early investor. Trading Mannkind is where the money has been. If you are an options trader, you'd probably have lost a lot of money if you were strictly buying calls.
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Post by agedhippie on Sept 15, 2015 4:47:18 GMT -5
The hoard knows full well that I speak the truth. They deep down know he's not shareholder friendly. I am not knocking Al just stating an inconvenient fact. Al is only friendly to diabetics who he is trying to help and God love him for that but strictly on an investing level, he's so far been abysmal especially if you were an early investor. Trading Mannkind is where the money has been. If you are an options trader, you'd probably have lost a lot of money if you were strictly buying calls. I agree with this. At this point in his life money is not a priority to Al whereas his legacy of delivering medical solutions probably is. The fight was to get Afrezza out there and that is now achieved. At this point he probably thinks Mannkind should stand on it's own feet.
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Post by newmnkdinvestor on Sept 15, 2015 11:09:11 GMT -5
The hoard knows full well that I speak the truth. They deep down know he's not shareholder friendly. I am not knocking Al just stating an inconvenient fact. Al is only friendly to diabetics who he is trying to help and God love him for that but strictly on an investing level, he's so far been abysmal especially if you were an early investor. Trading Mannkind is where the money has been. If you are an options trader, you'd probably have lost a lot of money if you were strictly buying calls. I agree with this. At this point in his life money is not a priority to Al whereas his legacy of delivering medical solutions probably is. The fight was to get Afrezza out there and that is now achieved. At this point he probably thinks Mannkind should stand on it's own feet. The emotional attachment by some longs some times makes me question if I am on the wrong side of this.
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