|
|
Post by sportsrancho on Aug 6, 2018 13:08:54 GMT -5
I hope those little old couples did not buy stock. That would have been destructive (so far). It is good for potential investors to spend time here reading positive and negative things. It may not be pretty but it is our reality at this point in time. What do you mean you hope they did not buy stock? They have been invested for years they were at the shareholder meeting. |
|
|
|
Post by rayskum on Aug 6, 2018 13:11:31 GMT -5
I guess it is okay to share a negative sentiment. How about throwing numbers out ( without any basis) just to mislead? For example, Morgieporgie( probably got it wrong) posting weekly scripts of 600 with a caveat that it was his or her guess. That is blatantly misleading.
|
|
|
|
Post by sportsrancho on Aug 6, 2018 13:11:42 GMT -5
Where is block button! đĄ that was not for you Ray..
|
|
|
|
Post by buyitonsale on Aug 6, 2018 13:15:42 GMT -5
There is no need to identify who is short or a pretender.
Never mentions one's position = short
Has a small core position but thinks stock is garbage = short
Reads and posts on this board with no position = fairytale
|
|
|
|
Post by uvula on Aug 6, 2018 13:25:37 GMT -5
I hope those little old couples did not buy stock. That would have been destructive (so far). It is good for potential investors to spend time here reading positive and negative things. It may not be pretty but it is our reality at this point in time. What do you mean you hope they did not buy stock? They have been invested for years they were at the shareholder meeting. My bad. You're right. They already are investors. I was thinking of potential investors who come here before buying. |
|
|
|
Post by sportsrancho on Aug 6, 2018 13:34:26 GMT -5
There is no need to identify who is short or a pretender. Never mentions one's position = short Has a small core position but thinks stock is garbage = short Reads and posts on this board with no position = fairytale First time I laughed all dayđ = exactly! |
|
|
|
Post by joeypotsandpans on Aug 6, 2018 13:35:21 GMT -5
There is much better money to be made elsewhere until MNKD gets it all figured out. It wonât happen overnight. There will be plenty of buying opportunities. I remember folks saying the same thing when Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns failed, the minority that bought insurance on CDS were called fools when they were buying as it went against them (the big short), personally I had puts on Freddie Mac and Countrywide at the time, had I not been in the position at the time I doubt I would have had time to enter it when the poop hit the fan "overnight". So you could say that there is a 35M share hole that needs to be filled at some point, you are in the camp that says prove them wrong (as you stated with your belief of the manipulation) that's ok, the risk/reward currently is much more attractive to some that are willing to accept that risk, that's their choice as well. Do you believe you will enter a more/larger position and have an opportunity to do so if something positive does happen overnight? Is the herd waiting for the well advertised dilution to close some of that position, perhaps but they didn't do it the first go around when it was effectively .13. Why do you suppose that is? I get the great product but lousy stock argument, I also know that more times than not a great product eventually succeeds. When it's a shift against the norm it can take a while to break well established habits/walls etc. You are correct, the prior management was NEVER one in place to handle a transition from a manufacturing/technology company to a full fledged pharmaceutical entity. I am in the camp that the current team in place inherited an extreme financial challenge but at the same time has the knowledge of how to finally get the wind behind the sails. We're entitled to both arguments, again that's what makes a market isn't it? Bottomline, I have no issue whatsoever with shorts that state their thesis and why (TD a good example), but there are individuals that have other motives and have direct messaged board members with those motives and I have a huge problem with that type of underhandedness....and what others have already stated is correct, they most likely would never put their intentions on record so while understanding the OP's frustration regarding same it would be an act of futility to think it would change anything. |
|
|
|
Post by Clement on Aug 6, 2018 15:30:43 GMT -5
A thread entitled "It's over folks" is OK with you guys??
|
|
|
|
Post by morgieporgie on Aug 6, 2018 15:52:25 GMT -5
The thought I get when I read posts like this is why have a forum at all if youâve already made up your mind and nothing can dissuade you? Just stop following the stock altogether and let it ride. A rebuttal of youâre here to learn about the latest and greatest would be irrelevant if said news would be disregarded if negative. Are you really asking for a âsafe spaceâ for weeping longs? Some sort of emotional support group? FTR, if anyone cares, I own a small core position that I basically just use a fidelity credit card to fund with cash back. I have been vocal about my belief that this is a horrible stock to invest in, as it doesnât take much convincing to show itâs manipulated to high hell. I will wait until the company proves itself as having a sustainable plan to profitability. I see no reason objectivity should be discouraged. I have been labeled a short many times in the past, to which I laugh. I am hopeful for the drug and the company, as I think both have a lot to offer. However, neither are the stock from which we get the boardâs name- the three are separate entities. So while I am sure 2/3 are fantastic, Iâm still unsure about the stock. Unfortunately, all 3 need each other right now. None can stand on their own. So I will wait to invest when I have certainty that the stock is not garbage. The company stands for all the right things, but without cash, wants donât amount to a hill of beans. They need to start proving they can penetrate the market in a meaningful way. Otherwise, another reverse split and/or further dilution may be on the horizon. There is much better money to be made elsewhere until MNKD gets it all figured out. It wonât happen overnight. There will be plenty of buying opportunities. Didnât think I would keep going, but at what point should the âtrue longsâ be held accountable to their words? I remember getting chastised for being one of the few who openly criticized prior management. Now these same people essentially agree with what I used to say, but now theyâre sounding just as incoherent for round 2 of the same âol. Sure, Mike seems like a much better CEO- much more organized and actually sounds like heâs put some thought into a plan, but that doesnât mean his plan will work. Heâs made progress, but I think if you could travel back in time, he would have been disappointed to still be sub-600 scripts. I vaguely remember a tweet he put out that investors would thank him someday for saving the company. The MNKD police patrol gave matt a heaping pile of crap for calling out bankruptcy. In retrospect, he was probably correct. Sure, Matt secured the SNY monies, but is there anyone here who thinks MNKD would still be around if Matt, or worse yet, Hakan were at the helm? Were these not the arguments that âshortsâ brought up and got slaughtered for? The board has come way far down to reality in the time I have been here, thanks more in part to the shorts than the true longs, in my opinion. So are we here to learn or for emotional support? Isnât that what youâre really asking? Great post Sophie! I'm nit here yo be liked by people and I hope nobody else is. I yhink you're right, maybe this is a safe space or something?!?! IloveKaui i think her name is - she just blocks people when she doesn't like what they say? Isn't that a bit childish? Wow.. |
|
|
|
Post by mytakeonit on Aug 6, 2018 17:08:53 GMT -5
PROGRAM ... PROGRAM ... YOU CAN'T TELL THE PLAYERS WITHOUT A PROGRAM !!!
(Shorts should send $20 to mytakeonit.com if they don't want to be listed.)
|
|
|
|
Post by sophie on Aug 6, 2018 17:20:24 GMT -5
Great post Sophie! I'm nit here yo be liked by people and I hope nobody else is. I yhink you're right, maybe this is a safe space or something?!?! IloveKaui i think her name is - she just blocks people when she doesn't like what they say? Isn't that a bit childish? Wow.. Nah, don't pull me into that. People too far on either side make this board frustrating. Just wish this could be a place where intelligent and mature opinions can be openly expressed without harassment from either side. Throwing sand back at the person who threw it at you is what kids do in a sandbox. |
|
|
|
Post by morgieporgie on Aug 6, 2018 17:23:45 GMT -5
Great post Sophie! I'm nit here yo be liked by people and I hope nobody else is. I yhink you're right, maybe this is a safe space or something?!?! IloveKaui i think her name is - she just blocks people when she doesn't like what they say? Isn't that a bit childish? Wow.. Nah, don't pull me into that. I get frustrated by people on either side who make this board frustrating. Just wish this could be a place where intelligent and mature opinions can be openly expressed without harassment from either side. Throwing sand back at the person who threw it at you is what kids do in a sandbox.  Not pulling you into anything. You just sounded a bit more level headed, that's all. If this board is supposed to be a pep rally for mnkd I guess I'm in the wrong place. |
|
|
|
Post by xanet on Aug 6, 2018 17:38:51 GMT -5
Nah, don't pull me into that. I get frustrated by people on either side who make this board frustrating. Just wish this could be a place where intelligent and mature opinions can be openly expressed without harassment from either side. Throwing sand back at the person who threw it at you is what kids do in a sandbox. Not pulling you into anything. You just sounded a bit more level headed, that's all. If this board is supposed to be a pep rally for mnkd I guess I'm in the wrong place. It's all in the name. See, " proboards".  |
|
|
|
Post by thekindaguyiyam on Aug 6, 2018 17:39:10 GMT -5
Nah, don't pull me into that. I get frustrated by people on either side who make this board frustrating. Just wish this could be a place where intelligent and mature opinions can be openly expressed without harassment from either side. Throwing sand back at the person who threw it at you is what kids do in a sandbox. Not pulling you into anything. You just sounded a bit more level headed, that's all. If this board is supposed to be a pep rally for mnkd I guess I'm in the wrong place. Now why would anyone including Diabetics have a Pep Rally for better management of a horrible disease with the hope for a superior insulin? I do agree with your last statement but somehow think it wouldn't take you long to return with a different identity. |
|
|
|
Post by sophie on Aug 6, 2018 17:43:13 GMT -5
I remember folks saying the same thing when Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns failed, the minority that bought insurance on CDS were called fools when they were buying as it went against them (the big short), personally I had puts on Freddie Mac and Countrywide at the time, had I not been in the position at the time I doubt I would have had time to enter it when the poop hit the fan "overnight". Quite a big difference between these 2 stories, no? Unless you're talking about the likelihood of MNKD going bankrupt, I'm not sure what parallel you're making. MNKD succeeding is not a done deal. However, I do not believe MNKD will move more than a few points overnight. Am I willing to miss out on a few points? Absolutely. There have been a number of other stocks that I've been invested in that have tripled in price- one even with a hefty dividend. I could have lost 95+% on MNKD waiting for a triple, or I could have more than tripled my money on other stocks and have the ability to buy more as I'm waiting to see if the MNKD story will unfold.So you could say that there is a 35M share hole that needs to be filled at some point, you are in the camp that says prove them wrong (as you stated with your belief of the manipulation) that's ok, the risk/reward currently is much more attractive to some that are willing to accept that risk, that's their choice as well. Do you believe you will enter a more/larger position and have an opportunity to do so if something positive does happen overnight? Is the herd waiting for the well advertised dilution to close some of that position, perhaps but they didn't do it the first go around when it was effectively .13. Why do you suppose that is? I get the great product but lousy stock argument, I also know that more times than not a great product eventually succeeds. When it's a shift against the norm it can take a while to break well established habits/walls etc. I don't know why there hasn't been massive covering at 0.13. Probably the same reason why some on here don't sell at peaks. Probably greed. That is a moot point to me and has no significance. Market disruptors are very high risk/high reward. However, pharma is a different animal. It takes money to make money in pharma. Other markets allow for word of mouth to be sufficient. However, those other markets don't have regulatory bodies that can squash any momentum. Or rely on gatekeepers (Dr.s) to agree to distribute.
You are correct, the prior management was NEVER one in place to handle a transition from a manufacturing/technology company to a full fledged pharmaceutical entity. I am in the camp that the current team in place inherited an extreme financial challenge but at the same time has the knowledge of how to finally get the wind behind the sails. We're entitled to both arguments, again that's what makes a market isn't it? Yes, but I'm not the one complaining about longs being here. Despite what any or all might think, I'm actually pulling hard for MNKD. The board becomes hard to read because people "take sides" or force others to. You're not allowed to post on here unless you're long. You can say just about anything, no matter how outrageous. Yet when very strong points to the opposing view get brought up, the harassment is endless. You're even guilty of this, Joey. I don't care to dig up previous posts, but you have targeted me with angry posts in the past when I was very respectful and laid out logical arguments with evidence to back my claims. Bottomline, I have no issue whatsoever with shorts that state their thesis and why (TD a good example), but there are individuals that have other motives and have direct messaged board members with those motives and I have a huge problem with that type of underhandedness....and what others have already stated is correct, they most likely would never put their intentions on record so while understanding the OP's frustration regarding same it would be an act of futility to think it would change anything I happen to think matt may be the best poster on this board. Does a better job than anyone of stating his side intelligently with respect and class. I'm assuming matt is the one you're accusing of being underhanded as I've heard he was the one who did that. I personally do think he is genuine, but I guess you can get upset with someone for giving unsolicited advice if you want. Surely you can see how that might actually be reality though and not a ploy from the dark side. I know I'm not getting a dime from anyone to express my opinions yet many on this board have accused me as such. |
|
