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Post by yossarian on Dec 2, 2015 10:10:29 GMT -5
30% from 40%
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Post by lakers on Dec 2, 2015 15:22:41 GMT -5
Shorts is covering. They are smart not standing in front of 1Q16 international expansion and TS pipeline partnership. Follow the Smart Money. |
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Post by vissertrades on Dec 2, 2015 16:16:35 GMT -5
Covering into tax loss season friggn bastages! They shorted the hell out of mnkd and now scoop up the covered shares at bargain prices. No justice, just like shrek and kbio - wild west of wall street, special place in hell for them...
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Post by ashiwi on Dec 2, 2015 16:18:46 GMT -5
Fidelity lowered from 42.5% down to 35% to loan shares.
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Dec 2, 2015 21:58:17 GMT -5
Covering into tax loss season friggn bastages! They shorted the hell out of mnkd and now scoop up the covered shares at bargain prices. No justice, just like shrek and kbio - wild west of wall street, special place in hell for them... Absolutely... I hate them for being so good at what they do. Hopefully us longs will have our day as well. I fear if a group of shorts gets clobbered in an eventual squeeze it may well not be these guys that have made out like bandits this year. I think they had more inside info about how long things would take and all of this was probably well planned. What they don't buy from longs scared out or selling for tax loss, they will probably manage to pawn off on dumb, late to the party shorts. |
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Post by patryn on Dec 2, 2015 22:15:44 GMT -5
Covering into tax loss season friggn bastages! They shorted the hell out of mnkd and now scoop up the covered shares at bargain prices. No justice, just like shrek and kbio - wild west of wall street, special place in hell for them... Absolutely... I hate them for being so good at what they do. Hopefully us longs will have our day as well. I fear if a group of shorts gets clobbered in an eventual squeeze it may well not be these guys that have made out like bandits this year. I think they had more inside info about how long things would take and all of this was probably well planned. What they don't buy from longs scared out or selling for tax loss, they will probably manage to pawn off on dumb, late to the party shorts. There is definitely an art to what they do and the hedge fund traders will mostly make profits on their shorts. However, they do so at the expense of other traders who are either more worried or for tax harvesting and other reasons want to sell at current prices. If MNKD eventually succeeds, then the long term investors will not have taken any part in these short term games. Of course if MNKD fails, then long term investors will probably recoup pennies on the dollar, but not all the shorts would have profited again depending on their timing. What I like about my odds are that I just need to be correct on the eventual outcome, whereas traders and short traders need to be correct not only about the eventual outcome, but the timing and psychology of the market as well. |
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Post by mssciguy on Dec 2, 2015 22:20:40 GMT -5
Covering into tax loss season friggn bastages! They shorted the hell out of mnkd and now scoop up the covered shares at bargain prices. No justice, just like shrek and kbio - wild west of wall street, special place in hell for them... Absolutely... I hate them for being so good at what they do. Hopefully us longs will have our day as well. I fear if a group of shorts gets clobbered in an eventual squeeze it may well not be these guys that have made out like bandits this year. I think they had more inside info about how long things would take and all of this was probably well planned. What they don't buy from longs scared out or selling for tax loss, they will probably manage to pawn off on dumb, late to the party shorts. So true, and they have the boiler room boys and girls posting from the Bronx zoo as well as cybercafes in Pakistan Mumbai Hong Kong, who knows where else but often the speech is discernable... well everyone needs to have food on the table, right, so why not have places like ymb and stocktwits for them to get their next meal (or something worse). Cramer, AF, Karp, Olson are in the same crowd but with bigger appetites. Personally I am sincerely hoping that one day we can crowdfund something like Mannkind and cut out all of the vermin infestation resulting from public offerings. It's been getting worse for many years. Micheal Milking Institute in LA, Goldman Sachs and their Hedge Fund wolfs in sheep clothing, the HFTs and dark pools, all stealing from you and me minute by minute while shopping for their next multimillion dollar hole in the wall 30 floors up in Manhattan. This stock is the last one I invest in ever, from now on any new money goes into ETFs. |
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Post by mssciguy on Dec 2, 2015 22:23:45 GMT -5
Absolutely... I hate them for being so good at what they do. Hopefully us longs will have our day as well. I fear if a group of shorts gets clobbered in an eventual squeeze it may well not be these guys that have made out like bandits this year. I think they had more inside info about how long things would take and all of this was probably well planned. What they don't buy from longs scared out or selling for tax loss, they will probably manage to pawn off on dumb, late to the party shorts. There is definitely an art to what they do and the hedge fund traders will mostly make profits on their shorts. However, they do so at the expense of other traders who are either more worried or for tax harvesting and other reasons want to sell at current prices. If MNKD eventually succeeds, then the long term investors will not have taken any part in these short term games. Of course if MNKD fails, then long term investors will probably recoup pennies on the dollar, but not all the shorts would have profited again depending on their timing. What I like about my odds are that I just need to be correct on the eventual outcome, whereas traders and short traders need to be correct not only about the eventual outcome, but the timing and psychology of the market as well. at one time you made sense. But I don't read your stuff any more. It's borderline first or second year undergraduate logic. Sorry. Maybe someone hacked your user id and password? Otherwise, it all seems a little narcissistic. "What I like about MY..." |
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Post by patryn on Dec 3, 2015 0:02:28 GMT -5
There is definitely an art to what they do and the hedge fund traders will mostly make profits on their shorts. However, they do so at the expense of other traders who are either more worried or for tax harvesting and other reasons want to sell at current prices. If MNKD eventually succeeds, then the long term investors will not have taken any part in these short term games. Of course if MNKD fails, then long term investors will probably recoup pennies on the dollar, but not all the shorts would have profited again depending on their timing. What I like about my odds are that I just need to be correct on the eventual outcome, whereas traders and short traders need to be correct not only about the eventual outcome, but the timing and psychology of the market as well. at one time you made sense. But I don't read your stuff any more. It's borderline first or second year undergraduate logic. Sorry. Maybe someone hacked your user id and password? Otherwise, it all seems a little narcissistic. "What I like about MY..." You are someone who was once a fervent believer and one might almost say a rabid one. You've lost faith and have replaced it with some combination of despair and vindictiveness towards the supposed manipulators of Wall St. You are welcome to your beliefs, just as I am welcome to mine, so if you don't want to read what I have to say, feel free to block me. My investment thesis has not changed and I continue to accumulate shares at the appropriate prices. The value of long term investing is something I strongly believe in. If you consider that narcissism, then that is your prerogative. I would venture to say though that anyone who posts an opinion needs a healthy bit of self confidence. |
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Post by bloodrootfc on Dec 3, 2015 9:29:51 GMT -5
Hi everyone, as I don't have a margin account, I can't see the rates being offered for short shares. Could anyone with this information continue to post updates? I believe it is very important that we see these rates continue to fall before we can expect price recovery.
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Dec 4, 2015 15:59:21 GMT -5
I have 3 Schwab accounts with loaned shares. One of them just had all the shares returned. This is the first time I've had shares returned in the 10 months I've been doing it.
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Post by fedakd on Dec 4, 2015 16:01:40 GMT -5
LOL and amazingly enough, the shorts are covering and the stock continues to freefall. This is one very broken stock.
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Post by gwb on Dec 4, 2015 16:13:11 GMT -5
I have 3 Schwab accounts with loaned shares. One of them just had all the shares returned. This is the first time I've had shares returned in the 10 months I've been doing it. With Fidelity this week , I had 50 % of one accounts shares returned , but they went back out a day later . Fidelity has returned shares three time in 2015 , but for no longer than 10 days . What transpired this week was very strange . Monday the charge to borrow was 65.25 % and Today ( Friday ) is 40 % . The Lending rate dropped from 42.5 % on Monday to 28 % Friday . |
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Post by bighaus89 on Dec 4, 2015 17:01:04 GMT -5
Schwab rate just dropped to 15%.
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Dec 4, 2015 17:30:19 GMT -5
I have 3 Schwab accounts with loaned shares. One of them just had all the shares returned. This is the first time I've had shares returned in the 10 months I've been doing it. That's in addition to the rate dropping to 15% on the other two accounts. fedakd... maybe tax loss selling is where the shorts are buying. |
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