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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 16, 2021 16:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by dh4mizzou on Mar 16, 2021 16:53:00 GMT -5
Sports. Maybe a dumb question but have you looked at working with these 24 hour urgent care sites that are popping up all over? They seem to be on every corner nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 17:05:54 GMT -5
Discount on our CGM’s!!!! What in the world..we use the Libra. Bad taste... it left a bad taste in our mouth when Mike squashed the Dubai deal! And then called us gangsters. I could go on if we want to bring all the stuff back up but I really don’t think we do. It's really not worth it. VDEX did not get a board seat and did not get their discounted Afrezza. CASE CLOSED!!! |
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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 16, 2021 17:08:36 GMT -5
Discount on our CGM’s!!!! What in the world..we use the Libra. Bad taste... it left a bad taste in our mouth when Mike squashed the Dubai deal! And then called us gangsters. I could go on if we want to bring all the stuff back up but I really don’t think we do. It's really not worth it. VDEX did not get a board seat and did not get their discounted Afrezza. CASE CLOSED!!! Discounted Afrezza? Where are you getting your information? All we asked for was samples, the same amount the other practitioners were getting at their doctors offices. And Mannkind has been pretty good about giving us those. |
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Post by nylefty on Mar 16, 2021 17:23:54 GMT -5
Do you know for a fact they aren't growing? I'll take Sports word for it... it's no skin off of my butt either way!!! I don't need to be negative about it or go on a rant... I can also support endos who are doing well with Afrezza !! I don't see anyone bashing ALL doctors.. My dad and I saw quite a few doctors.. and none of them understood Afrezza.. I saw what the problems were.. It seems to be a general theme heard from many.. I don't care to argue about it... It is what it is.. and I believe Vdex can help.. I like what I hear coming from them .. We have hope for the the future on many avenues.. time will tell.. The problem why investors have a bad taste in their mouth about VDEX is from the shenanigans they tried to pull a year ago. You don't try and strong arm a company to give you discounts to protect your own business and then demand a board seat. That's what wrankled my skin. They decided to get into this business as a clinic and they have to survive on their own. MNKD has no ownership in VDEX and therefore are not obligated to give them anything. You didn't see VDEX going after DXCM or Abbott for major discounts on their CGMs. Strong arm? What are you talking about? Vdex made a proposal that would have been beneficial to both sides. How is that strong arming? And Bill wanted to run for a board seat. How is that "demanding?" Did Trump and Biden "demand" the presidency by becoming candidates? Why the counter-productive hostility? It would be in the interest of both Vdex and MannKind to cooperate. |
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Post by liane on Mar 16, 2021 17:32:32 GMT -5
Ok folks - it looks like the topic of V-dex hijacked a perfectly good Medicare Part-D thread. I am neither pro or con V-dex, but can we keep it from taking over other threads. If you want to argue V-dex back & forth, you can do it HERE!
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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 16, 2021 17:35:07 GMT -5
morfu again🤷♀️
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Post by babaoriley on Mar 16, 2021 17:58:23 GMT -5
The problem why investors have a bad taste in their mouth about VDEX is from the shenanigans they tried to pull a year ago. You don't try and strong arm a company to give you discounts to protect your own business and then demand a board seat. That's what wrankled my skin. They decided to get into this business as a clinic and they have to survive on their own. MNKD has no ownership in VDEX and therefore are not obligated to give them anything. You didn't see VDEX going after DXCM or Abbott for major discounts on their CGMs. Strong arm? What are you talking about? Vdex made a proposal that would have been beneficial to both sides. How is that strong arming? And Bill wanted to run for a board seat. How is that "demanding?" Did Trump and Biden "demand" the presidency by becoming candidates? Why the counter-productive hostility? It would be in the interest of both Vdex and MannKind to cooperate. "Did Trump and Biden "demand" the presidency by becoming candidates?" Good point, nylefty, I think only one candidate did that. I saw nothing wrong with what Bill or VDEX did. Seems to me that VDEX has as good a way to market Afrezza as there currently is, we're lucky Bill took on this monumental task. |
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Post by sr71 on Mar 16, 2021 18:27:55 GMT -5
Strong arm? What are you talking about? Vdex made a proposal that would have been beneficial to both sides. How is that strong arming? And Bill wanted to run for a board seat. How is that "demanding?" Did Trump and Biden "demand" the presidency by becoming candidates? Why the counter-productive hostility? It would be in the interest of both Vdex and MannKind to cooperate. "Did Trump and Biden "demand" the presidency by becoming candidates?" Good point, nylefty, I think only one candidate did that. I saw nothing wrong with what Bill or VDEX did. Seems to me that VDEX has as good a way to market Afrezza as there currently is, we're lucky Bill took on this monumental task. I totally agree. And I strongly suspect that Bill is already formulating a plan to target the Medicare Part D Senior Savings Program participants who will be able to get Afrezza for only $35 per month. Sportsrancho confirmed long ago that VDEX is already a Medicare provider for office visits, which I believe by now probably also includes telehealth consultations as well. If this is all true, then VDEX's work should be easier since they won't have to waste time on Insurance Pre-Authorizations for these patients. |
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Post by nylefty on Mar 16, 2021 18:51:45 GMT -5
"Did Trump and Biden "demand" the presidency by becoming candidates?" Good point, nylefty, I think only one candidate did that. I saw nothing wrong with what Bill or VDEX did. Seems to me that VDEX has as good a way to market Afrezza as there currently is, we're lucky Bill took on this monumental task. I totally agree. And I strongly suspect that Bill is already formulating a plan to target the Medicare Part D Senior Savings Program participants who will be able to get Afrezza for only $35 per month. Sportsrancho confirmed long ago that VDEX is already a Medicare provider for office visits, which I believe by now probably also includes telehealth consultations as well. If this is all true, then VDEX's work should be easier since they won't have to waste time on Insurance Pre-Authorizations for these patients. I have a Medicare Part D plan from Aetna and it's up to Aetna as to whether it covers specific meds or not, although under Medicare rules they have to cover at least two drugs in the same category (but not all). Whether a clinic is a Medicare provider is a separate issue from whether a Part D prescription plan has to cover a specific med. Vdex doesn't sell Afrezza or any other drugs - it just writes prescriptions for meds which have to be filled by pharmacies. |
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Post by od on Mar 17, 2021 16:02:41 GMT -5
+ it creates provider prescribing habit (hopefully). We still have the problem of docs not knowing how to dose ... Etc. But hopefully Vdex picks up the ball and runs with it.. Considering the market opportunity + price parity + marketing/education dollars available, if MannKind cannot educate providers re: dosing, there is (continues to be) a problem. This should be marketing blocking and tackling. |
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Post by morfu on Mar 18, 2021 10:31:41 GMT -5
You are paid VDex and post your opinion and propaganda almost daily, it was not me who started any of the recent VDex threads.
But of course I allow myself to ask questions and point out inconsistencies and endless repetitive claims!
As for the current thread like before it was started by someone else and I merely commented that the statements of any significant impact of VDex on Afrezza are completely unproven!
The other point discussed recently was the attempt of VDex to get a preferred treatment by Mannkind, also not started or even commented by me Spencer Osborne at Seeking Alpha wrote a commented summary on that:
VDex has figured out how to use Afrezza and is proudly publishing white papers about it, so what? There are thousands Endos and hundred of thousends MDs and if they don't know it already, they can easily figure out how to use and prescribe Afrezza. These white papers do not present any relevant fact for Afrezza or Mannkind, it´s just old news! (for anyone but VDex, they seem to think they reinvented the wheel!)
What VDex carefully keeps secret are numbers on sales success. I think most posters here understand that you think VDex makes a contribution for Afrezza users and instead of endlessly repeating this old claim, you should put up the numbers! It seems over the last months there was no new information in any of your posts about VDex! Endless repetition of a claim does not make it true, I think it is entirely possible that beside all efforts the results of VDex are in fact very limited and not at all relevant for Mannkind!
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Post by morfu on Mar 18, 2021 10:43:37 GMT -5
Oh and then there is the point of a poster paid by VDex leaving a wrong impression.. Most recently you can check out page 3 of the mannkind-corporation-participate-oppenheimers-31st thread.
Reading the posts there I could get the impression that VDex and McCullough are responsible to discover dosing problems with Afrezza and a "VDex method" holds the key to reduce A1C. Both are not true! (particular the "Vdex method" relies critically on Afrezza to work, but Afrezza also works well without that method)
What are you trying next selling snake oil and rain making? => this is getting close to fraud in my opinion, is VDex that desperate?
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Post by slapshot on Mar 18, 2021 11:01:12 GMT -5
You are paid VDex and post your opinion and propaganda almost daily, it was not me who started any of the recent VDex threads.
But of course I allow myself to ask questions and point out inconsistencies and endless repetitive claims!
As for the current thread like before it was started by someone else and I merely commented that the statements of any significant impact of VDex on Afrezza are completely unproven!
The other point discussed recently was the attempt of VDex to get a preferred treatment by Mannkind, also not started or even commented by me Spencer Osborne at Seeking Alpha wrote a commented summary on that:
VDex has figured out how to use Afrezza and is proudly publishing white papers about it, so what? There are thousands Endos and hundred of thousends MDs and if they don't know it already, they can easily figure out how to use and prescribe Afrezza. These white papers do not present any relevant fact for Afrezza or Mannkind, it´s just old news! (for anyone but VDex, they seem to think they reinvented the wheel!)
What VDex carefully keeps secret are numbers on sales success. I think most posters here understand that you think VDex makes a contribution for Afrezza users and instead of endlessly repeating this old claim, you should put up the numbers! It seems over the last months there was no new information in any of your posts about VDex! Endless repetition of a claim does not make it true, I think it is entirely possible that beside all efforts the results of VDex are in fact very limited and not at all relevant for Mannkind! Wow. Maybe you should be head of marketing? How is this working so far? Is your opinion that Mannkind and Afrezza sales would be better off without VDex? Please show your data.
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Post by morfu on Mar 18, 2021 11:15:08 GMT -5
You are paid VDex and post your opinion and propaganda almost daily, it was not me who started any of the recent VDex threads.
But of course I allow myself to ask questions and point out inconsistencies and endless repetitive claims!
As for the current thread like before it was started by someone else and I merely commented that the statements of any significant impact of VDex on Afrezza are completely unproven!
The other point discussed recently was the attempt of VDex to get a preferred treatment by Mannkind, also not started or even commented by me Spencer Osborne at Seeking Alpha wrote a commented summary on that:
VDex has figured out how to use Afrezza and is proudly publishing white papers about it, so what? There are thousands Endos and hundred of thousends MDs and if they don't know it already, they can easily figure out how to use and prescribe Afrezza. These white papers do not present any relevant fact for Afrezza or Mannkind, it´s just old news! (for anyone but VDex, they seem to think they reinvented the wheel!)
What VDex carefully keeps secret are numbers on sales success. I think most posters here understand that you think VDex makes a contribution for Afrezza users and instead of endlessly repeating this old claim, you should put up the numbers! It seems over the last months there was no new information in any of your posts about VDex! Endless repetition of a claim does not make it true, I think it is entirely possible that beside all efforts the results of VDex are in fact very limited and not at all relevant for Mannkind! Wow. Maybe you should be head of marketing? How is this working so far? Is your opinion that Mannkind and Afrezza sales would be better off without VDex? Please show your data.
Why should I do marketing? For VDex (I would at first stop any misleading claims, that´s very important.. a company is only trustworthy if it is truthful) What does my person have to do with anything? It seems a comon theme here to attack the person if you lack arguments.
>> Is your opinion that Mannkind and Afrezza sales would be better off without VDex? Please show your data. I just pointed out, that acording to Sportsrancho, the "VDex method" seems rather time consuming and might thus be ineffective!
The poster pguererro made a claim in a different thread (but also many other claims which seem wrong which I´d love to discuss.. but that thread is locked down by the great wisdom of our admins. ) "the top 10 volume endos in the country’s (all being paid to prescribe Afrezza through meaningless talks that know one attend) scripts out of the equation there would be 300 Trx a week"
I think this one is believable and well as the top 100 Endos being responsible for 100 000s of scripts over the last years.
I just would like to see any proof for VDex´s superiority compared to these successful and relevant Afrezza prescribers and allow myself to point out that just claiming success is a far cry from being successful!
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