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Post by BD on Mar 18, 2021 22:22:32 GMT -5
I had to look that one up, cretin. For a while I was trying to figure out what sports' post had to do with Quantum Field Theory, though...
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Post by morfu on Mar 19, 2021 0:12:08 GMT -5
Could you kindly point out which accusation I make against whom or back of?
If you mean the complete absence of proof endlessly reiterated, just look at sportsrancho´s posts over the last weeks, the last thing she wrote here was some rambling about Bill wanting to be the best.. just 3 hours after I wrote "claiming success is a far cry from being successful!"
I think you are mistaken and at least that "accusation" is spot on! You are entitled to your opinion, even if it’s completely wrong. There are people who believe the earth is flat, there’s even an International Flat Earth Society. It’s impossible to convince those folks they are wrong. Sports, I recommend that you not waste any more time trying to convince morfu of the error of his thinking about VDEX. Though I commend the sincerity of your efforts in that regard! You are the 3rd or 4th person who feels it is necessary to comment on my opinion or person instead of facts, each of these postings was very unnecessary!
Why dont you stick to the facts for a change?
How about these two statements:
- Afrezza works quite well without the "VDex method" - Any proof that VDex is doing better or even comparable to the top 100 prescribing Endos is missing. - In fact there is not any proof of a significant benefit for Mannkind from VDex
- VDex made various ridiculous demands towards Mannkind in these strange letters to shareholders including false statements
- VDex is the only company forcing this forum to create not one, but two separate threads in this board and still posts the same unproven messages in other channels
Nothing Sportsrancho is posting tirelessly repeating herself disqualified any of those.
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Post by falconquest on Mar 19, 2021 6:44:58 GMT -5
You are entitled to your opinion, even if it’s completely wrong. There are people who believe the earth is flat, there’s even an International Flat Earth Society. It’s impossible to convince those folks they are wrong. Sports, I recommend that you not waste any more time trying to convince morfu of the error of his thinking about VDEX. Though I commend the sincerity of your efforts in that regard! You are the 3rd or 4th person who feels it is necessary to comment on my opinion or person instead of facts, each of these postings was very unnecessary!
Why dont you stick to the facts for a change?
How about these two statements:
- Afrezza works quite well without the "VDex method" - Any proof that VDex is doing better or even comparable to the top 100 prescribing Endos is missing. - In fact there is not any proof of a significant benefit for Mannkind from VDex
- VDex made various ridiculous demands towards Mannkind in these strange letters to shareholders including false statements
- VDex is the only company forcing this forum to create not one, but two separate threads in this board and still posts the same unproven messages in other channels
Nothing Sportsrancho is posting tirelessly repeating herself disqualified any of those.
Alright, time to turn this around, the burden of proof is now on you.....
How about these two statements:
- Afrezza works quite well without the "VDex method" Yes it does if administered properly. Show supporting evidence that Endo's are more successful than Vdex.
- Any proof that VDex is doing better or even comparable to the top 100 prescribing Endos is missing. Again, show your evidence supporting your claim. Explain to us using facts that demonstrates the contrary.
- In fact there is not any proof of a significant benefit for Mannkind from VDex Really? Show us the evidence you have refuting this claim.
- VDex made various ridiculous demands towards Mannkind in these strange letters to shareholders including false statements Demonstrate what false statements were made. Your use of the word "ridiculous" is conjecture.
- VDex is the only company forcing this forum to create not one, but two separate threads in this board and still posts the same unproven messages in other channels Not even sure what you're talking about here. What do "other channels" have to do with this board?
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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 19, 2021 6:49:27 GMT -5
Mannkind does not pay us to do talks on Afrezza like they do others.
We are one of their largest providers ( in the top 10 ) which isn’t very difficult since we have quite a few providers.
We will keep fighting to help make Afrezza the success it should be.
We are growing and doing better than ever.
Mannkind is growing and doing better than ever.
I think we’re all going to make it🤣😎👍🏻 Now i’m going to go buy some stock:-)
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Post by peppy on Mar 19, 2021 8:17:25 GMT -5
Mannkind does not pay us to do talks on Afrezza like they do others. We are one of their largest providers ( in the top 10 ) which isn’t very difficult since we have quite a few providers. We will keep fighting to help make Afrezza the success it should be. We are growing and doing better than ever. Mannkind is growing and doing better than ever. I think we’re all going to make it🤣😎👍🏻 Now i’m going to go buy some stock:-) Become the water. |
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Post by morfu on Mar 19, 2021 9:38:15 GMT -5
You are the 3rd or 4th person who feels it is necessary to comment on my opinion or person instead of facts, each of these postings was very unnecessary!
Why dont you stick to the facts for a change?
How about these two statements:
- Afrezza works quite well without the "VDex method" - Any proof that VDex is doing better or even comparable to the top 100 prescribing Endos is missing. - In fact there is not any proof of a significant benefit for Mannkind from VDex
- VDex made various ridiculous demands towards Mannkind in these strange letters to shareholders including false statements
- VDex is the only company forcing this forum to create not one, but two separate threads in this board and still posts the same unproven messages in other channels
Nothing Sportsrancho is posting tirelessly repeating herself disqualified any of those.
Alright, time to turn this around, the burden of proof is now on you.....
How about these two statements:
- Afrezza works quite well without the "VDex method" Yes it does if administered properly. Show supporting evidence that Endo's are more successful than Vdex.
- Any proof that VDex is doing better or even comparable to the top 100 prescribing Endos is missing. Again, show your evidence supporting your claim. Explain to us using facts that demonstrates the contrary.
- In fact there is not any proof of a significant benefit for Mannkind from VDex Really? Show us the evidence you have refuting this claim.
- VDex made various ridiculous demands towards Mannkind in these strange letters to shareholders including false statements Demonstrate what false statements were made. Your use of the word "ridiculous" is conjecture.
- VDex is the only company forcing this forum to create not one, but two separate threads in this board and still posts the same unproven messages in other channels Not even sure what you're talking about here. What do "other channels" have to do with this board?
"show your evidence supporting your claim" that is exactly what I have been saying about the claims being made by VDex and sportsrancho for years now, I am somewhat glad that you and I might come to the conclusion that with the current public data any such claim remains unproven! (and thus my statements are correct!) I can only point out that neither me nor any Endo makes such claims, but VDex and Sportrancho does and therefore the burden of proof clearly lies with them!
I already linked Spencer Osborne at Seeking Alpha article which lists the demand if you don´t like word rediculous, try "very inappropriate".. these demands are hard to describe in sane words, I thought "rediculous" was good enough.
Wrong statements - Vdex is a significant shareholder
- Mannkind’s efforts to market Afrezza are a failure
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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 19, 2021 9:43:48 GMT -5
I never said Vdex was a significant shareholder, all I said was Bill has an incredible amount of Mannkind stock. Personally
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Post by cretin11 on Mar 19, 2021 15:18:43 GMT -5
Alright, time to turn this around, the burden of proof is now on you.....
How about these two statements:
- Afrezza works quite well without the "VDex method" Yes it does if administered properly. Show supporting evidence that Endo's are more successful than Vdex.
- Any proof that VDex is doing better or even comparable to the top 100 prescribing Endos is missing. Again, show your evidence supporting your claim. Explain to us using facts that demonstrates the contrary.
- In fact there is not any proof of a significant benefit for Mannkind from VDex Really? Show us the evidence you have refuting this claim.
- VDex made various ridiculous demands towards Mannkind in these strange letters to shareholders including false statements Demonstrate what false statements were made. Your use of the word "ridiculous" is conjecture.
- VDex is the only company forcing this forum to create not one, but two separate threads in this board and still posts the same unproven messages in other channels Not even sure what you're talking about here. What do "other channels" have to do with this board?
"show your evidence supporting your claim" that is exactly what I have been saying about the claims being made by VDex and sportsrancho for years now, I am somewhat glad that you and I might come to the conclusion that with the current public data any such claim remains unproven! (and thus my statements are correct!) I can only point out that neither me nor any Endo makes such claims, but VDex and Sportrancho does and therefore the burden of proof clearly lies with them!
I already linked Spencer Osborne at Seeking Alpha article which lists the demand if you don´t like word rediculous, try "very inappropriate".. these demands are hard to describe in sane words, I thought "rediculous" was good enough.
Wrong statements - Vdex is a significant shareholder
- Mannkind’s efforts to market Afrezza are a failure
This is not a court of law, the burden of proof is not on VDEX and sports. They are speaking the truth, it’s up to you to believe it or not, as you choose. |
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Post by longliner on Mar 19, 2021 15:42:03 GMT -5
Since this is a minor part of the Mannkind story going forward (VDex). Should this be front page Mannkind Proboard material? Just a question for the moderators, (not for the first time). If Mannkind was to embrace VDex as a partner this would be very different and relevant front page material.
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Post by BD on Mar 19, 2021 15:55:03 GMT -5
Since this is a minor part of the Mannkind story going forward (VDex). Should this be front page Mannkind Proboard material? Just a question for the moderators, (not for the first time). If Mannkind was to embrace VDex as a partner this would be very different and relevant front page material. We do not typically address questions like this publicly, but the truth is that liane and I were ambivalent about where to put the thread! On one hand VDex is not strictly MNKD, but OTOH it's not totally OT either! So at some point the thread may get moved... |
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Post by porkini on Mar 19, 2021 17:15:00 GMT -5
Since this is a minor part of the Mannkind story going forward (VDex). Should this be front page Mannkind Proboard material? Just a question for the moderators, (not for the first time). If Mannkind was to embrace VDex as a partner this would be very different and relevant front page material. We do not typically address questions like this publicly, but the truth is that liane and I were ambivalent about where to put the thread! On one hand VDex is not strictly MNKD, but OTOH it's not totally OT either! So at some point the thread may get moved... I would also point out that it is not pinned to the front page either. It simply exists there because of certain posters who persist in making combative comments. |
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Post by sportsrancho on Mar 19, 2021 17:43:17 GMT -5
I’ll just bet you that there are other doctors prescribing Afrezza ( not Vdex ) that also hold Mannkind stock.. that are reading Pro-Boards ..maybe not a lot but there has to be some. In fact I know there used to be two.
It should be friendly environment in case they would like to post about their experiences with Afrezza. Or anything else they feel like talking about. I think it would be great.
Pretty soon it’ll be all about TrepT....💃 people tend to forget about nitpicking when the stock is going up.
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Post by BD on Mar 19, 2021 18:29:45 GMT -5
A friendly environment is good all-around. Having been involved (as both member and staffer) on several financial message boards for around 20 years now, I do believe the level of pugnaciousness has dropped off over the years (StockTwits notwithstanding, and I don't even want to know if the Yahoo boards still exist). These days with everyone acclimating to doing more social stuff online, I think there has been at least a wee bit of consciousness-raising w/r/t interacting with kindness rather than hostility.
Of course, if someone has an agenda to rabble-rouse or spread FUD, they're going to push the envelope. It's nice to know that, at least around here, they don't have a prayer of convincing anyone, and that can remain true even as we continue to be civil toward them.
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Post by morfu on Mar 19, 2021 19:44:03 GMT -5
"show your evidence supporting your claim" that is exactly what I have been saying about the claims being made by VDex and sportsrancho for years now, I am somewhat glad that you and I might come to the conclusion that with the current public data any such claim remains unproven! (and thus my statements are correct!) I can only point out that neither me nor any Endo makes such claims, but VDex and Sportrancho does and therefore the burden of proof clearly lies with them!
I already linked Spencer Osborne at Seeking Alpha article which lists the demand if you don´t like word rediculous, try "very inappropriate".. these demands are hard to describe in sane words, I thought "rediculous" was good enough.
Wrong statements - Vdex is a significant shareholder
- Mannkind’s efforts to market Afrezza are a failure
This is not a court of law, the burden of proof is not on VDEX and sports. They are speaking the truth, it’s up to you to believe it or not, as you choose. >> They are speaking the truth..
And we all now should take your word for it, and no one (including you) ever saw any proof for that...
As I said in my posting, my statements remain true!
Are you saying that here and in their letters to shareholders anybody can say whatever they want (even wrong things) and do not have verify anything or being held accountable for their claims? Or is this just true for VDex?
I read in that proposal to Mannkind that VDex was planning to establish more than 200 facilities over the first 2-3years, that did not happen, did I understand Sportrancho´s comment correctly that VDex had to close down a facility recently? If so, do you see any discrepancy between their big plans and reality?
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Post by morfu on Mar 19, 2021 19:48:53 GMT -5
We do not typically address questions like this publicly, but the truth is that liane and I were ambivalent about where to put the thread! On one hand VDex is not strictly MNKD, but OTOH it's not totally OT either! So at some point the thread may get moved... I would also point out that it is not pinned to the front page either. It simply exists there because of certain posters who persist in making combative comments. It looks more like VDex supporters making claims they cannot support and some are getting emotional about it.. maybe it is time for more facts and less polemic?
This is a discussion boards, comments are a good thing! Empty posts no matter if they are 3 letters or a whole sentence are in the way of an honest discussion! How can "they speak true because this is not a court of law" not be seen as an utter defeat and complete lack of arguments?
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