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Post by mssciguy on Dec 16, 2015 11:33:48 GMT -5
I posted this story back in February. This seems like a good time to put the story out again.
Sanofi ups diabetes game in India through hospital clinics, local production
February 3, 2015 | By EJ Lane
Excerpt:
"Sanofi ($SNY) has taken dramatic steps to increase its diabetes-related presence in India, investing in a string of clinics and constructing its first foreign production facility to make its insulin, Insuman, for emerging markets.
Sanofi said it plans to invest $14.5 million through its Sanofi-Synthelabo (India) unit to support the Apollo Sugar Clinics chain of 26 facilities throughout India. The clinics company is a subsidiary of India's Apollo Hospitals. The clinics are intended to provide high-quality integrated care for diabetics in a country that counts 65 million of them and another 77 million prediabetic.
The moves come after the company fired then-CEO Chris Viehbacher shortly after the third-quarter earnings call, in part related to stern competition to its diabetes portfolio from companies such as Novo Nordisk ($NVO). Sanofi has yet to find a replacement, but has pushed ahead on the diabetes front, including plans hatched under Viehbacher's tenures, such as the Sugar Clinics."
Source: www.fiercepharmamanufacturing.com/story/sanofi-ups-diabetes-game-india-through-hospital-clinics-local-production/2015-02-03
NOTE: IMO, Veihbacher was a visionary. I don't know if the same holds true about Olivier Brandicourt, Sanofi's new CEO.
We need MBAs, money, and MDs. Of course it's practical BlueCat ...patients could be referred by their reluctant PCPs |
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Post by suebeeee1 on Dec 16, 2015 11:38:26 GMT -5
Is it time to consider the idea of Sanofi opening Afrezza clinics where Sanofi hired doctors offer Afrezza as an option for T1 and T2 patients? Or, if there is some sort of a legal issue with Sanofi owning Afrezza clinics, could there be a method in which others open Afrezza clinics and offer Afrezza as an option? Does Al have friends interested in this endeavor? Or, are there any doctors reading this forum who might like to give it a try? We bounced this idea around here a few months ago. It was a brilliant idea then and a brilliant idea now. There are many, many diabetes clinics around the country. One (or more) could easily be converted. Is there a law preventing a company such as Sanofi from opening a clinic that offers their drugs only? |
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Post by BlueCat on Dec 16, 2015 11:54:12 GMT -5
Is it time to consider the idea of Sanofi opening Afrezza clinics where Sanofi hired doctors offer Afrezza as an option for T1 and T2 patients? Or, if there is some sort of a legal issue with Sanofi owning Afrezza clinics, could there be a method in which others open Afrezza clinics and offer Afrezza as an option? Does Al have friends interested in this endeavor? Or, are there any doctors reading this forum who might like to give it a try? We bounced this idea around here a few months ago. It was a brilliant idea then and a brilliant idea now. There are many, many diabetes clinics around the country. One (or more) could easily be converted. Is there a law preventing a company such as Sanofi from opening a clinic that offers their drugs only?
Its a sound biz idea. But geez, on some level it really makes my skin crawl. Perhaps it would just expose the ugly under-belly of what's really already there. Sickness for profit.
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Post by kball on Dec 16, 2015 12:07:59 GMT -5
Overheard in the parking lot of a pot dispensary:
Hey is that an Afrezza clinic across the street!!
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Post by robsacher on Dec 16, 2015 12:18:51 GMT -5
Is it time to consider the idea of Sanofi opening Afrezza clinics where Sanofi hired doctors offer Afrezza as an option for T1 and T2 patients? Or, if there is some sort of a legal issue with Sanofi owning Afrezza clinics, could there be a method in which others open Afrezza clinics and offer Afrezza as an option? Does Al have friends interested in this endeavor? Or, are there any doctors reading this forum who might like to give it a try? You could post the idea on the tudiabetes board and see what kind of response it elicits. That board is for diabetics and since I am only pre diabetic and am an investor, I prefer to stay away from it. |
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Post by mssciguy on Dec 16, 2015 12:19:19 GMT -5
Overheard in the parking lot of a pot dispensary:
Hey is that an Afrezza clinic across the street!!Get the munchies without fear of hypos. You are a natural for marketing kball |
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Post by robsacher on Dec 16, 2015 12:20:25 GMT -5
I would imagine that it would have to be privately funded by a medical entity that is unrelated to SNY or MNKD. They can't even legally give away spirometers. I doubt they can legally open clinics and hire doctors to specifically prescribe afrezza. Private funding outside of MannKind and Sanofi seems manageable. |
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Post by mssciguy on Dec 16, 2015 12:23:16 GMT -5
We bounced this idea around here a few months ago. It was a brilliant idea then and a brilliant idea now. There are many, many diabetes clinics around the country. One (or more) could easily be converted. Is there a law preventing a company such as Sanofi from opening a clinic that offers their drugs only?
Its a sound biz idea. But geez, on some level it really makes my skin crawl. Perhaps it would just expose the ugly under-belly of what's really already there. Sickness for profit.
that's big pharma. It is not about the best medicines, it's about profit. The ones that don't play that way get bought out or go broke. I did some formulation free lance in the herbal and nutraceutical area for a while. It's mostly placebo in that field, but there are many legit and inexpensive natural products. For example, red yeast rice has the same statins that were patented by big pharma to make tens of billions. Many other examples. But, most natural products can't be patented, that's why we end up with all these drugs with bizarre side effects |
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Post by robsacher on Dec 16, 2015 12:31:51 GMT -5
Is it time to consider the idea of Sanofi opening Afrezza clinics where Sanofi hired doctors offer Afrezza as an option for T1 and T2 patients? Or, if there is some sort of a legal issue with Sanofi owning Afrezza clinics, could there be a method in which others open Afrezza clinics and offer Afrezza as an option? Does Al have friends interested in this endeavor? Or, are there any doctors reading this forum who might like to give it a try? We bounced this idea around here a few months ago. It was a brilliant idea then and a brilliant idea now. There are many, many diabetes clinics around the country. One (or more) could easily be converted. Is there a law preventing a company such as Sanofi from opening a clinic that offers their drugs only? Thank you for the compliment. If it is illegal for MannKind or Sanofi, then privately funded clinics could be developed by a competent medical company, perhaps one that already has experience in operating clinics for pain medications, obesity, or emergency care. Afrezza clinics could be endocrinology offices run by doctors who are interested in developing Afrezza therapy.
Also, outside of the US, perhaps Sanofi can develop Afrezza clinics. I have read that Sanofi already have "sugar" clinics in India.
I wonder what the rules are in Canada, Europe and in China...
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Post by kball on Dec 16, 2015 12:49:50 GMT -5
See this as more 5-10 years away.
Maybe once T2's become largely convinced
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Dec 16, 2015 15:41:36 GMT -5
Is it time to consider the idea of Sanofi opening Afrezza clinics where Sanofi hired doctors offer Afrezza as an option for T1 and T2 patients? Or, if there is some sort of a legal issue with Sanofi owning Afrezza clinics, could there be a method in which others open Afrezza clinics and offer Afrezza as an option? Does Al have friends interested in this endeavor? Or, are there any doctors reading this forum who might like to give it a try? Medicare and Medicaid would almost certainly not sign them on if there was a financial incentive tied to prescribing one drug over another... and ownership by SNY would certainly create that financial incentive. Likewise, I think it highly doubtful any insurers would sign these clinics up as providers if they were biased towards a drug that at present the insurers are resistant to pay for. So the bottom line is that these clinics would have to live off of cash paying patients... probably not a money maker to limit both to one specialty and try to be concierge service catering to well to do cash customers. |
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Post by robsacher on Dec 17, 2015 22:20:44 GMT -5
Afrezza need only be one of the therapies offered along with injection insulin. But, since Afrezza is not yet offered as a form of therapy in most endocrinology offices, if Afrezza is offered as a form of therapy in these clinics then it would be reasonable to assume that substantial sales could develop from this endeavor.
The clinics need not be called Afrezza clinics if that would present a problem. They could be called Diabetes Management Clinics. In this way, Medicare and Medicaid could cover patients who use the clinics.
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Post by monetpenet on Dec 18, 2015 0:09:22 GMT -5
Afrezza need only be one of the therapies offered along with injection insulin. But, since Afrezza is not yet offered as a form of therapy in most endocrinology offices, if Afrezza is offered as a form of therapy in these clinics then it would be reasonable to assume that substantial sales could develop from this endeavor. The clinics need not be called Afrezza clinics if that would present a problem. They could be called Diabetes Management Clinics. In this way, Medicare and Medicaid could cover patients who use the clinics. Paradigm shift... all the way. Makes sense to me. |
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Post by babaoriley on Dec 18, 2015 2:15:03 GMT -5
I'd be interested in a chain of clinics for MannKind investors. Those would surely pop up throughout the country and be well-attended.
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Post by dreamboatcruise on Dec 18, 2015 2:30:41 GMT -5
I'd be interested in a chain of clinics for MannKind investors. Those would surely pop up throughout the country and be well-attended. Oddly enough, there is actually one in my neighborhood. They have this API called "laphroaig" that they use in their treatment... though perhaps MNKD syndrome is off-label. |
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