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Post by peppy on Apr 24, 2016 7:03:20 GMT -5
I too was one of the stupid people that thought all type two's need to do is change what they are eating. Then came Augusta. Looking deeper, some people become insulin resistant. Period. Then, I found this, some people become so insulin resistant, their liver cells become insulin resistant. there was the alarm bell.
My own words, the way it could be: The thought then is to atkins, High meat, some lettuce, no carbs. Here is the problem the way I see it. I came across this information and I believe it. "You can not lose weight if you are acidotic." What this means, is hydrogen atoms. ammonia NH3, urea NH2 the by product of a lot of meat (protein which is nitrogen attached to carbon and hydrogen,) is ammonia/ urea NH2 that needs to be cleared from the cells. The way I think Bronson diet may work, involves a lot of chewing, chewing of green things. The Newcastle diet (the program Branson is supporting) is a low caloric diet. This can be accomplished in various ways. In one of the first studies, they incorporated gastric banding. In the current ongoing study, they are using low calorie shakes without (I think) the banding. It does not appear to be one size fits all, it appears any low caloric short-term diet may be acceptable. www.diabetes.org.uk/Research/Research-round-up/Research-spotlight/Research-spotlight-low-calorie-liquid-diet/www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/type-2-diabetes-can-be-cured-through-weight-loss-newcastle-unive/Bronsons new genius diabetic program is medifast? Oh, ha ha. If that worked, there would not be a diabetic problem. Medifast worked for oprah for a few months.
theory: get rid of type two diabetes with gastric banding and medifast. I like my stomach. I like food. not that easily sold. some people will think this is a reasonable alternative. Next.
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Post by mnkdfann on Apr 24, 2016 8:16:14 GMT -5
Peppy, you missed the point about the diet. Any low caloric short term diet seems to be acceptable. It is not about shakes. Or gastric banding. Those are just possibilities.
And fwiw his name is Branson not Bronson.
I understand it is fun for some to mock successful people like Branson (and Oprah) on internet forums, but the reality is Branson (and Oprah for that matter) is probably smarter (at least when it comes to business and marketing) and certainly more successful than anyone here. If he is backing the Newcastle diet, I would not be so quick to write it off.
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Post by peppy on Apr 24, 2016 8:32:37 GMT -5
Peppy, you missed the point about the diet. Any low caloric short term diet seems to be acceptable. It is not about shakes. Or gastric banding. Those are just possibilities. And fwiw his name is Branson not Bronson. I understand it is fun for some to mock successful people like Branson (and Oprah) on internet forums, but the reality is Branson (and Oprah for that matter) is probably smarter (at least when it comes to business and marketing) and certainly more successful than anyone here. If he is backing the Newcastle diet, I would not be so quick to write it off. ok, the point, any low caloric short term diet seems to be acceptable.
My point, try a high green diet, spinach, kale, broccoli, cabbage, onions, tomato, green tea, lemon, diet. High base diet. Low calorie. Lots of food as far as cups of food. Reduce the acidity of the cell rather than a high protein diet. This is about health correct? I'll stop. Becareful the stories we are sold. Ever really heard about acid base before? Did the teachers cover it in school? I am not talking arteriole blood gas ph. I am talking cellular ph. Ever heard of the theory, Cancer requires an acidotic environment? Just sayin. Eat your vegies.
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Post by mnholdem on Apr 24, 2016 8:39:30 GMT -5
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 24, 2016 9:10:47 GMT -5
Peppy, you missed the point about the diet. Any low caloric short term diet seems to be acceptable. It is not about shakes. Or gastric banding. Those are just possibilities. And fwiw his name is Branson not Bronson. I understand it is fun for some to mock successful people like Branson (and Oprah) on internet forums, but the reality is Branson (and Oprah for that matter) is probably smarter (at least when it comes to business and marketing) and certainly more successful than anyone here. If he is backing the Newcastle diet, I would not be so quick to write it off. ok, the point, any low caloric short term diet seems to be acceptable.
It's a bit more complicated, but not much. The diet must be around half the base maintenance level so around 700. They used shakes and green vegetables to achieve that since the shakes give a precise calorie input which is important since people are notoriously poor portion management and estimation. The veggies provide nutrients and stop the patient from killing themselves from the monotony! The other diet I have seen work is the Low Carb / High Fat diet aka. the Bernstein diet. Dr Bernstein is a Type 1 endo and while the diet undoubtedly works it has to be maintained. I don't think I am prepared to give up enough carbs to hit the low carb requirements though. It gives very even numbers and normal A1c results. I lack the will power to stick to diets over the long term - I know my limitations  |
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Post by sportsrancho on Apr 24, 2016 9:56:04 GMT -5
In 30 years of putting people on diets, I've only seen one diet work better than all the rest. (The one they can stick to!) You take in 500 less caleries a day than you normally eat. And do a extra hour of cardio a day to lose 2 pounds a week. It's all about the math.
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Post by peppy on Apr 24, 2016 10:08:28 GMT -5
ok, the point, any low caloric short term diet seems to be acceptable.
It's a bit more complicated, but not much. The diet must be around half the base maintenance level so around 700. They used shakes and green vegetables to achieve that since the shakes give a precise calorie input which is important since people are notoriously poor portion management and estimation. The veggies provide nutrients and stop the patient from killing themselves from the monotony! The other diet I have seen work is the Low Carb / High Fat diet aka. the Bernstein diet. Dr Bernstein is a Type 1 endo and while the diet undoubtedly works it has to be maintained. I don't think I am prepared to give up enough carbs to hit the low carb requirements though. It gives very even numbers and normal A1c results. I lack the will power to stick to diets over the long term - I know my limitations that is what Molly did. Type 1 from age 12. Died in her early 40's of a heart attack. |
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Post by curiousdoc on Apr 24, 2016 12:37:13 GMT -5
It's a bit more complicated, but not much. The diet must be around half the base maintenance level so around 700. They used shakes and green vegetables to achieve that since the shakes give a precise calorie input which is important since people are notoriously poor portion management and estimation. The veggies provide nutrients and stop the patient from killing themselves from the monotony! The other diet I have seen work is the Low Carb / High Fat diet aka. the Bernstein diet. Dr Bernstein is a Type 1 endo and while the diet undoubtedly works it has to be maintained. I don't think I am prepared to give up enough carbs to hit the low carb requirements though. It gives very even numbers and normal A1c results. I lack the will power to stick to diets over the long term - I know my limitations that is what Molly did. Type 1 from age 12. Died in her early 40's of a heart attack. I would argue that her heart attack was secondary to diabetes, perhaps not optimally controlled for 30 years. I would argue a low carb diet (comprised of healthy foods obivously) is the best diet one can be on. Fat has unjustifiably gotten a bad wrap due to decades of poor nutrition science. |
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Post by capnbob on Apr 24, 2016 12:57:30 GMT -5
ok, the point, any low caloric short term diet seems to be acceptable.
It's a bit more complicated, but not much. The diet must be around half the base maintenance level so around 700. They used shakes and green vegetables to achieve that since the shakes give a precise calorie input which is important since people are notoriously poor portion management and estimation. The veggies provide nutrients and stop the patient from killing themselves from the monotony! The other diet I have seen work is the Low Carb / High Fat diet aka. the Bernstein diet. Dr Bernstein is a Type 1 endo and while the diet undoubtedly works it has to be maintained. I don't think I am prepared to give up enough carbs to hit the low carb requirements though. It gives very even numbers and normal A1c results. I lack the will power to stick to diets over the long term - I know my limitations There is a sound physiological basis for a high fat relative to carbohydrate diet in diabetics. More than half of the body's energy needs are met by cells using fatty acids derived from fat in food and stored fat. It's importance is illustrated by man's near unlimited ability to store fat, as compared to the very limited ability to store carbs. Fats benefit in two ways. They slow down gastric emptying, hence leaving the individual feeling sated for a longer period of time. Also, the slower gastric emptying means less chance of glucose "spikes" as well as less chance of reactive hypoglycemia. It is a boon to type 1s in particular, since -- lacking intrinsic insulin -- they are very sensitive to carb intake, so increasing fat relative to carbs translates into slower carb absorption and a more natural gradual rise in blood glucose. The diet itself is not necessarily radical: "Bernstein...basic rules for diabetics when developing meal plans that normalize blood sugar levels... Eliminate all foods from the diet that contain simple sugars...table sugar, most starchy foods such as breads and pasta, grains, and potatoes. Limit total carbohydrate intake to an amount that will work with insulin, either injected or produced naturally by the body. This will avoid a post-meal blood sugar increase. Stop eating when there is no longer a feeling of hunger. He says people should not leave the table while they are still hungry but should also not wait until they feel stuffed to stop eating. " |
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Post by biffn on Apr 24, 2016 13:08:38 GMT -5
Plus Hanks lives in NJ.
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Post by lakon on Apr 24, 2016 15:00:45 GMT -5
It would seem that controlled populations, such as islands, prisons, and military, are a great place to start...
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Post by agedhippie on Apr 24, 2016 15:46:04 GMT -5
that is what Molly did. Type 1 from age 12. Died in her early 40's of a heart attack. I would argue that her heart attack was secondary to diabetes, perhaps not optimally controlled for 30 years. I would argue a low carb diet (comprised of healthy foods obviously) is the best diet one can be on. Fat has unjustifiably gotten a bad wrap due to decades of poor nutrition science. No diet or treatment is a guarantee. Chance remains and you can always be unlucky The LCHF diet tends to reduce the small high density LDL and increase the large low density LDL. The small high density LDL is the one that does the damage. It also boosts HDL. Counterintutively it turns out to be fairly heart healthy. This is a topic of endless discussion on Type 2 forums since people get off drugs and insulin using it. |
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Post by peppy on Apr 24, 2016 16:05:38 GMT -5
I would argue that her heart attack was secondary to diabetes, perhaps not optimally controlled for 30 years. I would argue a low carb diet (comprised of healthy foods obviously) is the best diet one can be on. Fat has unjustifiably gotten a bad wrap due to decades of poor nutrition science. No diet or treatment is a guarantee. Chance remains and you can always be unlucky The LCHF diet tends to reduce the small high density LDL and increase the large low density LDL. The small high density LDL is the one that does the damage. It also boosts HDL. Counterintutively it turns out to be fairly heart healthy. This is a topic of endless discussion on Type 2 forums since people get off drugs and insulin using it. cholesterol, high density, low density. Dr Esselstyn an expert, with the films to prove it. He explained it to me. Low density lipids sink. (sink like rocks thrown into the river.) they sink to the vessel wall. High Density lipids, float, like a balloon they move along. Dr. Esselstyn, no fat. Where does fat come from, cholesterol, animal products. Make Yourself Heart Attack Proof - Caldwell Esselstyn MD www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTf0z_zVs0 screencast.com/t/d2ahbcu4
So the cure, animal products, no. spinach, probably. cabbage, start chewing. <--- opinionated
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Post by tayl5 on Apr 24, 2016 19:07:20 GMT -5
No diet or treatment is a guarantee. Chance remains and you can always be unlucky The LCHF diet tends to reduce the small high density LDL and increase the large low density LDL. The small high density LDL is the one that does the damage. It also boosts HDL. Counterintutively it turns out to be fairly heart healthy. This is a topic of endless discussion on Type 2 forums since people get off drugs and insulin using it. cholesterol, high density, low density. Dr Esselstyn an expert, with the films to prove it. He explained it to me. Low density lipids sink. (sink like rocks thrown into the river.) they sink to the vessel wall. High Density lipids, float, like a balloon they move along. Dr. Esselstyn, no fat. Where does fat come from, cholesterol, animal products. Make Yourself Heart Attack Proof - Caldwell Esselstyn MD www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTf0z_zVs0 screencast.com/t/d2ahbcu4
So the cure, animal products, no. spinach, probably. cabbage, start chewing. <--- opinionated
Good concept, peppy, but your direction is backwards: the HDL sinks and the LDL floats. |
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Post by peppy on Apr 24, 2016 22:59:45 GMT -5
cholesterol, high density, low density. Dr Esselstyn an expert, with the films to prove it. He explained it to me. Low density lipids sink. (sink like rocks thrown into the river.) they sink to the vessel wall. High Density lipids, float, like a balloon they move along. Dr. Esselstyn, no fat. Where does fat come from, cholesterol, animal products. Make Yourself Heart Attack Proof - Caldwell Esselstyn MD www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTf0z_zVs0 screencast.com/t/d2ahbcu4
So the cure, animal products, no. spinach, probably. cabbage, start chewing. <--- opinionated
Good concept, peppy, but your direction is backwards: the HDL sinks and the LDL floats. I do not mean to be a argumentative terrible person. It took me years to put this information into an orderly understanding so my limited brain could work with it. I had to check, again after your words. "LDL cholesterol is considered the “bad” cholesterol because it contributes to plaque, a thick, hard deposit that can clog arteries and make them less flexible. This condition is known as atherosclerosis. If a clot forms and blocks a narrowed artery, heart attack or stroke can result. Another condition called peripheral artery disease can develop when plaque buildup narrows an artery supplying blood to the legs." SINKS HDL cholesterol is considered “good” cholesterol because it helps remove LDL cholesterol from the arteries. Experts believe HDL acts as a scavenger, carrying LDL cholesterol away from the arteries and back to the liver ok, perhaps floats was not the correct word, orderly though.  www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Cholesterol/AboutCholesterol/Good-vs-Bad-Cholesterol_UCM_305561_Article.jsp#.Vx2To_8UXVI screencast.com/t/d2ahbcu4
Here is the real point: cholesterol source, LDL, HDL: MEAT. Source ANIMAL. meat has two things: protein; nitrogen with your carbon and hydrogen and fat; long chains of carbon and hydrogen with oxygen ends. www.bingapis.com/images/search?q=Fat+Molecule+Formula&view=detailv2&&id=C761A7166FC67B749CDD14CD73983695D4149F5B&selectedIndex=3&ccid=tW07QBHl&simid=607995768959272582&thid=OIP.Mb56d3b4011e55420bb7f84b9f47d6691H0&ajaxhist=0 . period.
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